Find Ancestors

Top tip - using the Genes Reunited community

Welcome to the Genes Reunited community boards!

  • The Genes Reunited community is made up of millions of people with similar interests. Discover your family history and make life long friends along the way.
  • You will find a close knit but welcoming group of keen genealogists all prepared to offer advice and help to new members.
  • And it's not all serious business. The boards are often a place to relax and be entertained by all kinds of subjects.
  • The Genes community will go out of their way to help you, so don’t be shy about asking for help.

Quick Search

Single word search

Icons

  • New posts
  • No new posts
  • Thread closed
  • Stickied, new posts
  • Stickied, no new posts

1861 & 1871 Census Records

ProfilePosted byOptionsPost Date

Barbara

Barbara Report 24 Feb 2011 00:40

Hi again,
I am now trying to locate the son of Thomas Joseph James (1808).
He is also a Thomas Joseph James born Dec 1834 at St Pancras. He is missing from 1861 and 1871 census. I have found him in 1841/51/81/91 and he died 1895 in Essex.
Below is him in 1851 with his father and brother:

1851 England Census
about Thomas James
Name: Thomas James
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1808
Relation: Head
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Limehouse
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: Bricklayer

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Limehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 179
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas James 43
Thomas James 16
John Willm James 14

Thomas 1834 is also a bricklayer and married Clarinda (there are often varying spellings for her name) Conford in 1856.
So in 1861 we should be able to find Thomas, Clarinda and daughter Clarinda and in 1871 there should be Thomas, Clarinda, and children Clarinda and Thomas and I am not sure what other children there may be.
The addresses given on the christening records between 1858-1879 are all in the Mile End region.

I just haven't had any success in finding them in those 2 census records.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Barbara

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 24 Feb 2011 01:09

Thomas James

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1835 — St Pancras
residence: Leyton Low, Essex, England
spouse: Olivia James

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: Thomas James
age: 46
gender: Male
birth year: 1835
birthplace: St Pancras
relationship to head of household: Head
marital condition: Married
profession / occupation: Bricklayer
address: 2 Maud Cottage
census place: Leyton Low, Essex, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341415
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 1727 / 25
page number:

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 24 Feb 2011 01:13

???

Thomas Joseph James

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 14 Aug 1808
residence: London, England
parents: Samuel James, Charlotte

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Thomas Joseph James
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 27 Aug 1809
baptism/christening place: SAINT LUKE OLD STREET,FINSBURY,LONDON,ENGLAND
birth date: 14 Aug 1808
father's name: Samuel James
mother's name: Charlotte
indexing project (batch) number: C02069-3
system origin: England-ODM
source film number:

Barbara

Barbara Report 24 Feb 2011 01:14

Thanks Ann,
That is the correct family but I can't find them in 1861 or 1871. I am wondering if there maybe some missing census records for Mile End area in those census???

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 24 Feb 2011 01:14

1881

Frederick C. KITSON Head M Male 27 Stratford, Essex, England Merchants Clerk
Agnes R. KITSON Wife M Female 26 Stratford, Essex, England
Lucy A. KITSON Daur U Female 1 Mile End, Middlesex, England
Helen H. LEIGH Serv U Female 23 Muswell Hill, Middlesex, England General Serv
Clarinda JAMES Serv U Female 21 Mile End, Middlesex, England Nursemaid


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Dwelling Atherton Rd (Lynton House)
Census Place West Ham, Essex, England
Family History Library Film 1341411
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1721 / 47
Page Number 23

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 24 Feb 2011 01:16

John William James

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1859 — Marylebone, Middlesex, England
residence: Westminster St John Evangelist, London, Middlesex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: John William James
age: 22
gender: Male
birth year: 1859
birthplace: Marylebone, Middlesex, England
relationship to head of household: Military Prisoner
marital condition: Unknown
profession / occupation: Soldier & Carpenter
address: "Millbank Prison" Millbank
census place: Westminster St John Evangelist, London, Middlesex, England
record type: Institution
family history library film: 1341026
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 0116 / 103
page number: 15

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 24 Feb 2011 01:16

William John James

England and Wales Census, 1891
birth: St Pancras, London
residence: England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1891
name: William John James
age: 31
gender: Male
birthplace: St Pancras, London
relationship to head of household: Head
record type:

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 24 Feb 2011 01:18

Clarinda James

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1860 — Mile End, Middlesex, England
residence: West Ham, Essex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: Clarinda James
age: 21
gender: Female
birth year: 1860
birthplace: Mile End, Middlesex, England
relationship to head of household: Serv
marital condition: Unknown
profession / occupation: Nursemaid
address: Atherton Rd (Lynton House)
census place: West Ham, Essex, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341411
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 1721 / 47
page number:

tempest

tempest Report 24 Feb 2011 01:26

also these baptisms

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Jemima James Name: Jemima James
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 10 Oct 1871
Baptism Date: 2 Feb 1879
Father's Name: Thomas Joseph James
Mother's Name: Clarinda James
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Stephen, Tredegar Road
Borough: Tower Hamlets

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Robert Brager James Name: Robert Brager James
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 8 Jan1879
Baptism Date: 2 Feb 1879
Father's Name: Thomas Joseph James
Mother's Name: Clarinda James
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Stephen, Tredegar Road
Borough: Tower Hamlets

father's occupation bricklayer, address 7 Down Street

tempest

tempest Report 24 Feb 2011 01:29

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Clarinda James Name: Clarinda James
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: 14 Aug 1859
Baptism Date: 9 Jun 1861
Father's Name: Thomas Joseph James
Mother's Name: Clarinda James
Parish or Poor Law Union: Mile End Old Town Holy Trinity
Borough: Tower Hamlets

father's occupation bricklayer, address 4 Regent Street

tempest

tempest Report 24 Feb 2011 02:34

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Edward Albert James Name: Edward Albert James
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1874
Baptism Date: 29 Mar 1874
Father's Name: Thomas James
Mother's Name: Cutlender James
Parish or Poor Law Union: Limehouse Fields St John
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Barbara

Barbara Report 24 Feb 2011 04:23

Thanks for all the info.
I forgot to say that John William JAMES migrated to Australia in 1868 and remained there until his death in 1919.
Has anyone had any luck yet with TJ in 1861 and 1871 census?
Keen to know where he was living and what other relatives may have been with him.
His father and 2nd wife are also missing in 1871, but there is a strong possibility that his father was deceased by then. Stepmother remarried in 1884.
His father's 2nd wife just happens to be Clarinda's sister, so hoping the sisters may have stayed together.
Other family are also missing in 1861 so am assuming they were all living near each other and that those records are missing or damaged.
Thanks