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The O is Ord - a search of the local index gets:

1918 Death
Nicholas Ord HALL
Register: 84 Entry: 423
District: South Shields

http://www.southtyneside.info/communitysupport/register/search/default.aspx

no Im being stupid that isabelle patten is the first one who was hall and was oxley, she has just lived to a grand old age, how wonderful thankyou

woweee, Mary is that Isabella patten daughter to isabella oxley who became hall who then married william patten.

1911 for Nicholas Ord Hall 1892?
11,Bedfordshire Street
Court Durham
South Sheilds
James Larmer 1880 miner born Durham
Mary Alice larmer 1867 Cockfield Durham (Widow of Robert Hall)?
Nichols Hall stepson 1892 Miner born West Rainton.(So that fits)
Edward Hall 1898
David Hall/Larmer 1906.

Maryb

Link maybe
Isabella Patten born 1/4/1895 died April 1986 age 91
North First
Northumberland
1 1815

1901 could be as age fits

Boldon Colliery district 48 image 16
William )Wilkinson ) Oxley 1870 Durham
Mary 1870 Durham nee Defty.
Wilkinson 1888
Isabella Boldon Colliery 1894

1911 Wilkinson Oxley Colliery worker born 1870
Mary 1870
Nichol Oxley 1890 (Nicholas died in mining accident in 1912)
Isabella 1894
William 1896
Richard 1900
Thomas Turnbull Oxley 1907
41,Wells Row
Boldon Colliery
Durham.

Maryb

thanks to everyone today

wow Mary I am writing all this down, thanks a lot. Wonder why they didnt marry, wonder if thomas carter was already married to someone else!

A tree on Ancestry has this info.

Esther Brown born 7/3/1846 died 22/2/1931 Durham and Thomas Carter 1841 Yorkshire died 1872,although no marriage shown had Mary Alice Brown Carter 1868 who married Robert Hall.
Esther Brown married in that name as a spinster in 10/5/1872 to William Hindmarch ORD.
This was after the death of Thomas Carter.
Robert Hall and Mary Alice Brown Carter had Nicholas Ord Hall and also Robert Hindmarch Hall in Houghton le Springs 1888.

Maryb

oh thankyou for that, Scottish history is harder isnt it?

Im going to try and keep tracing them back in the different census's if I can.

thanks to you all much appreciated

I don't think that you have been spelling it wrong - I think it may have changed or it has been mistranscribed.

The marriage certainly is Patten on freebmd but this is the birth!!

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1922 (>99%)
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Patton Johnson T Oxley Lanchester 10a 662



I am wondering if Isabella's family originated from the Borders as Isabella is quite a Scottish name (in Scotland Isabella and Elizabeth were interchangeable) and Johnson/ Johnstone is quite a common surname in the Scottish borders. Also in Scotland it wasn't uncommon to give a son the mother or grandmother's maiden surname as a christian name.



EDIT

We are lucky that in Scotland when a widow or divorcee remarries, her marriage is indexed using both her maiden surname AND her previous married name - makes life easier!

hi rootgatherer, youve just thrown me, there I had decided that this johnson patton was their cousin, no he is their half brother, Ive been spelling patten wrong.

so did Isabella Hall become patten by marrying a william patten? yes revelation I think youre right. many thanks

Nicholas's wife's remarriage??

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1920 (83%)
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Hall Isabella Patten Glendale 10b 1323
Patten William Hall Glendale 10b 1323

hi mary thats right, thats him.

Ord what an unusual name, thanks for that, youre all brill

Was this the one in your family.
Johnson t Patton mum nee Oxley registered in lancester Durham A/M/J 1922 10a 662.

I can't find the marriage of Olive oxley to patton on Ancestry site.

Maryb
Nicholas Ord Hall born A/M/J 1892 Chester Le Street 10a 549
Parents were Robert Hall 1864 and Mary Alice Brown Carter 1868

thanks Rambling Rose, that is showing Nicholas as a little boy I assume, most probably those names are still in the family.

youve all been so kind

from that death cert age wise this could be a poss
not uncommon of course but two of the brothers are John and Robert, father Robert so the names could have been passed down?

1901 England Census
about Nicholas Hall
Name: Nicholas Hall
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Rainton, Durham, England

Civil parish: West Rainton
Ecclesiastical parish: West Rainton St Mary
Town: West Rainton
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Houghton Le Spring
Sub-registration district: Hetton le Hole
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 101
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Hall 37
Mary A Hall 33
Robert Hall 13
William B Hall 11
Nicholas Hall 9 ***
John Hall 6
Edward Hall 3

hi that could be right, if the child was born 1915.

thanks rambling rose I will send for that love to see what O stands for.

I am wondering if olive oxley and isabella oxley are sisters. so isabelle brought up her son johnson patton.

To all many thanks