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Trying to find Ruffles

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Deborah

Deborah Report 23 Nov 2007 22:00

Can't sem to find any trace before 1901 of Francis Ruffles born c. 1862 - I think - in Stokenchurch, Oxon. Can anyone help?

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 23 Nov 2007 22:07

On a really quick search at Ancestry, wouldn't this be him?


Name: Francis Ruffles
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: May
Gender: Male
Where born: Garsington

Civil Parish: Garsington
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Occupation: Ag Lab

Registration district: Headington
Sub-registration district: Wheatley
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Alice Ruffles 13
Florence Ruffles
Francis Ruffles 16
George Ruffles 7
James Ruffles 4
Joseph Ruffles 37
Kate Ruffles 2
May Ruffles 31
Minnie Ruffles 11
Susan Ruffles 6
William Ruffles 17


Matches the specs for the one in 1901:

Name: Francis Ruffles
Spouse: Clara
Birth: abt 1863 - Garsington, Oxfordshire, England
Residence: 1901 - Garsington, Garsington, Oxfordshire, England

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 23 Nov 2007 22:09

And in 1871:


Name: Frances Ruffells
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Garsington

Civil Parish: Garsington
Ecclesiastical parish: Garsington
Town: Garsington
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Headington
Sub-registration district: Wheatley
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 54

Alice Ruffells 3
Frances Ruffells 6
Joseph Ruffells 7
Mame Ruffells 5 months
Martha Ruffells 26
Joseph Ruffels 27


-- there may have been a stepmother take over between the censuses!

Deborah

Deborah Report 28 Nov 2007 22:20

To Kathryn B. Thank you so much - I think I'm a bit of an amateur at this!!

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 28 Nov 2007 22:32

When you're searching at Ancestry, you have to outsmart the Ancestry transcribers. ;)

I think that actually because the name was unusual, the search engine found "Frances Ruffells" for me all by itself when I searched for Francis Ruffles.

Otherwise, you gotta search for things like Fran* Ruf* -- Francis/Frances are often mistaken, even by the people themselves I think, and who knows whether a Francis was calling himself Frank? And Ruffles might have got transcribed with one "f" -- or even as Russell.

You gotta be wiley. I realized early on that my Moncks might only be found by searching for Mouck and Morch and Monoh and Morek, but it was a couple of years before I realized there were several hundred Hells among whom I should maybe be looking for my Hills. Then I tried variations -- and sure enough, there was my Ernest Hill in 1871 as Earnest Hile. But I checked the image, and there, in the most perfect copperplate I'd ever seen in a census page, was indeed Earnest Hile. So it was the original copier, and I can't blame Ancestry that time!

Oh, and always use the +/- function for birthdate. People mostly show up as a year younger than that year's birthday ... and tend to get younger as they get older. That won't help when Ancestry has transcribed someone who was 3 months old as being 3, or 37, of course ... I wondered about a pair of my ancestors, aged 50 and 55, having a 45-yr-old daughter, til I checked the image and saw she was 15.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 28 Nov 2007 22:47

Heh -- you have Joseph's marriage?


Name: Joseph Ruffels
Year of Registration: 1863
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Headington
County: Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 735

+ Martha Messenger, it seems.

And yes indeed, it looks like she did not survive to the 1881:

Name: Martha Ruffles
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 29
District: Headington
County: Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 376


Interesting ...

Name: William Joseph Ruffels
Year of Registration: 1874
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Headington
County: Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 896

-- an Ann Messenger is one of the brides on the page.


I wonder whether this birth:

Name: Mary Ann Messenger
Year of Registration: 1849
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Headington
County: Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire
Volume: 16
Page: 62

is both the Ann in that marriage and the "May" (it is a very poor copy and it's quite likely Mary) in the 1881 census?

Huh! When one of my grx2 grandmothers died, my grx2 grandfather wasn't permitted to marry her sister -- agin the law, apparently. To deter spousal homicide?? So he just shacked up with the sister, also widowed, and they went on to have numerous children, including my gr-grfather. Through GR, I've met a descendant of the first wife, so we're only half-cousins -- but unlike most such cases, all our ancestry is actually identical anyhow!

So if your Francis's father married his deceased wife's sister, Francis would have half-siblings, but descendants from them would have ancestry identical to yours too.