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1861 ?
Name: Charles Johnson
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Eccleston, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Sutton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Johnson 56
Charles Johnson 14
Charles Johnson 1
Edward Johnson 21
Ellen Johnson 49
John Johnson 23
Martha Runington 72

Janice.
Charles was married 1872 "full age".
The 1854 birth makes him only 18.

Of course he could have lied or his "father" gave his permission. In which case he would have given his correct age .

I would like someone to find Charles after he is married in 1891,1901 with the children mentioned because Im having trouble locating them

Marriages Sep 1856 (>99%)
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FLYNN David Prescot 8b 850
Johnson Ellen Prescot 8b 850



1861

Name: Charles Flin
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's Name: David
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: St Helen
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: St Helen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 5a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 217
Household Members: Name Age
*******Charles Flin 7
David Flin 23
Ellen Flin 30 St Helens, Lancashire
Mary E Flin 4
Sarah Flin 2
Joseph Lamb 43
Thomas Peursall 38





1871
Name: Charles Flynn
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's Name: David
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: St Helens, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Windle
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: St Helen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 304
Household Members: Name Age
********Charles Flynn 17
David Flynn 34
David Flynn 9
Ellen Flynn 40
John Flynn 5
Mary Ellen Flynn 14
Sarah Flynn 12



what about this his mother married ??/



June x

Looking at birth index Prescot is the registration district for St Helens
between 1853-1857 i can only find this one
Charles Johnson
Prescot
vol.8b
page 443
Mar quarter 1854

Ivy,

But there could have been due to bad writting if something wasnt quite understood by a clerk and he put down what they thought was right,,,,,?

and writting was by the quill then,,,,,,

as I have birth cert and marriage cert 1918&1920 and a mistake has been made in the chirstian name from Register Office to entry into the GRO register,,,,,,

Where was Charles born on the 1891,1901, census.?

Has anyone found Charles and family in 1891,1901?

Janice - thanks for looking - I really thought you had found them then. I'm tired and calling it a night. Will look again tomorrow.

Thank you all again.

Regards

Rachel

1861 mother Ellen??
Name: Charles Johnson
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Peter
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Johnson 5
Ellen Johnson 34
George Johnson 7
Peter Johnson 33
William Johnson 5 Mo


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No he is with mother in 1891

Both Matilda and Charles were "full age" - Matilda was born 1852, so she would have been 21 in March 1872. It is possible that Charles was 21 before the 27.10.1872.

I have Matilda and Charles on the 1881, 1891 & 1901 census' - their children's names being: Mary Ellen, Thomas Henry, Sarah, Matilda, Albert, Charles & Gladys.

Rachel

Can't remember their names as I have kept the certificate in a file, but I remember that their names did not match any in my family tree at the moment, and 1 of the witnesses made their mark, whilst 1 was able to write their name.

Rachel

If Charles was "full age" in 1872 he would have to be over 21. The later census found suggests he wasnt.

Are you sure that is him.?
Do you have him on later census?
Do you have any childrens names?

Marriage certificates are copies. The parties would complete the marriage register entry and a copy would go to the local registry office. Details would be sent on to the general register office. Certificates purchased from the GRO would be in the handwriting of a clerk employed there.

The marriage register entry is the closest to the actual event.

Who were the witnesses on the marriage cert?

Thank you for your time and research - it is appreciated. I shall have to see if I can find details of Edward's death, to see if the Edward theory works.

Regards

Rachel

If the occupation is left blank, then the Edward theory is really only possible if he died 1871/72...

1871:

Name: Charles P Johnson
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward H
Mother's Name: Alice
Gender: Male
Where born: Crumpotal, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Eccleston
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: St Helen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: Prescot
ED, institution, or vessel: 15

Household schedule number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
Alice Johnson 54
Charles P Johnson 17
Edward H Johnson 54
Louisa M Johnson 14
William H Johnson 17

I checked out Crumpsall - it is a suburb of Manchester, just north of the centre, quite a long way from the St Helens claimed as the birthplace on the 1881 census. If he was brought up in St Helens, it might still be your relative?

Charles and Matilda married in Christ Church, Eccleston.

Both Charles and Matilda made their marks - no signatures there. The "father's" occupation was left blank - which is what I would expect to see for a mother/widow.

Regards

Rachel

Did they marry in a church as Parish Registers could give different information,?

Have you got an occupation for the father on the cert.
The Edward in 1871 is a Grocer