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take a photo and ask the stone mason nearest to the grave yard if he knows whos stye it is ....he may know

But it does not say on there who it was, we have looked all over it..

you could see if the stone masons is still around !!

I have ordered the birth cert onlne , will lt you know the out come. I have raymond's 3 brothers and sister and his mum and dad from another tree but thats where it ends!! and the two people who have him in there tree no onthing else about him !!! OMG I am going mad ha ha

Another reason we think it is all connected is that the two graves have been done by the same stonemason and we have looked all around that churchyard and no other stone has been done by that stonemason, the writting on the stones has lead letters which was very well done and exactly the same on both graves which leads us to believe that the hicks buried both.. I will get the birth cert but I am sure its right, the death one should be here begining of this week

Well I get back to 1900 and the Hicks in London are lost!!

So today I,m on the hunt ......thread running on Tips if you can help !!!!! me !

Hicks again !

I think it might be well worth pruchasing Leonard's birth certificate, just in case there is another Holtom/Hicks marriage.

I don't know about re-registering births when the parents marry ..... the information I found was in Decemebr 1929, and was for Holtom mmn Hicks ............ and there was NO indication or mark by the side of the entry to direct one elsewhere.


If it was me ........ I'd be getting that birth certificate pdq!



It just seems so peculiar.


sylvia

The name holtom in this part of the country is not that usual and to be buried in that churchyard which is very small you had to be from around that area and all the holtom's lived around there and so did the hick's family so I think we are barking up the right tree, also the fact that like I said earlier about the woman asking my F in L if he was from 1st or 2nd marriage makes us sure that someone knew about leonard, we are 99% sure he was their's. one other thing is the W.J. that we think stands for walter john after grandfathers dad.


As for knowing where the hicks died we have no idea at all, everybody around here was reg'd at chipping norton even my hubby who was borne 5 miles away was reg'd there, after the 1901 census I cannot find anything else out about the hicks.

Julie (john's wife)

Just read the last post from sylvia ....she is right BUT didnt you have to re-register the childs birth if the parents marry !!??

if so when was this brought in ??

Just a thought really

Been think about this to ....now Chipping norton is "out" in the sticks do you know WHERE they could have died ....ie Home or hospital ....coz that will help as the nearest hospital is in one of the "bigger" towns ......

Second , a friend of mine looked for her grandad who was dead before she was born...she went to the undertakers who did the funeral ...she seems to remember asking the vicar where he was buried about the undertakers ...they then told her he was brought from the Hospital .............in another county! that helpped .........

good luck

John

Have you managed to get Leonard's birth certificate to be sure that he is the child of Alice and your grandfather?

It just crossed my mind that his death is registered under Holtom, but he was born before their marriage when she was still called Hicks.

In case you haven't, here is the registration

Leonald W. J. Holtom, mmn Hicks, Deemeber quarter 1929, Chipping N, vol 3a 1659

It does say Leonald in the Complete Index on ancestry.


But this is interesting .... you say they didn't get married until 1931, but the baby is registered as if they were already married in 1929.

It might be interesting to get the certificate .. to see where they say they were living!


sylvia

I'm back. been to germany on business..

I have sent away for the cert so lets hope I find something out, I think it is because it is a child that has got me and the same age as my grandson. it is really strange how there is nothing about them, i think the grand parents must have moved away because I cannot find their deaths anywhere at all but they all lived around this area i.e in the then district of chipping norton. My wife is off to put flowers on the grave and tidy it up this weekend so must find out something about him.
John

OMG ......I know what you mean about the HIcks family ..........If you want to keep a secret be a HICKS .........

John ...I,m one thats why I,m so intrested .....But you need to get the certificates you can it may hold the key!!!

do let me know ......would love to know what was going on !!

No one knew about this child! my hubby told his dad what we had found and he was shocked because he sat with his dad as he was dying and he never said a word, only my sister in law knew that he had been married before because she said she was doing a tree and he took her to the churchyard and said that he had 2 wifes buried there, but he never told his own children and my F in l said in those days you never asked. a lady asked my f in l when he was about 16 if he was from the 1st or 2nd marriage so he said the 2nd even though he did not know what she was on about and he has keep that to himself for 55 yrs, but thinking now he thinks the lady might have thought he was leonard!! of course that lady is long gone now and no-one knows nothing, I have even tried the hicks side but nothing there either, in fact no-one has anything on alice or her parents except just mentioned in their tree, so you can see how stuck I am..

Must just say .....a little while ago some one on here told of a certificate (death) that gave NO information on the informants .....she was very up-set coz she thought it would solve her problem .....


Is there NO ONE left in that family to ask?

John

It does indeed!


A death certificate tells you the persons name, where they lived or died, what they died of, their age, and the informant's name and address, and relationship if applicable.

It should also say "wife of .....", widow of ...." son of ......" etc.

Some of the information may be at odds with what you know, as age or full name for example depend on what the informant knws or has been told by the dead person!


sylvia

Sylvia, I know alice die of TB, but I will get the certs for her and leonard to see what he died of, will the cert tell me who the informant was ?
John

death registrations

Alice E.M. Holtom, age 24, registered Chipping North, December quarter 1931, vol 3a page 1299

Leonard W.J. Holtom, age 3, registered Chipping North, September quarter 1933, vol 3a p. 1102.



I think you need to order some of these certificates, and the Hicks parents marriage one, as that will answer some of your questions

Each certificate will cost £7 through www.gro.gov.uk



sylvia

OR can you get Leonard's death certificate and see who was the informant, and their relationship to him?

Have you got Alice's death certificate to see what she died of, under what name she was registered, what it says about her marital status, and who was the informant?


sylvia

Would the local newspaper have had an obituary for either Alice or Leonard?

It might be worth trying to find that



sylvia