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John

Have you managed to get Leonard's birth certificate to be sure that he is the child of Alice and your grandfather?

It just crossed my mind that his death is registered under Holtom, but he was born before their marriage when she was still called Hicks.

In case you haven't, here is the registration

Leonald W. J. Holtom, mmn Hicks, Deemeber quarter 1929, Chipping N, vol 3a 1659

It does say Leonald in the Complete Index on ancestry.


But this is interesting .... you say they didn't get married until 1931, but the baby is registered as if they were already married in 1929.

It might be interesting to get the certificate .. to see where they say they were living!


sylvia

Been think about this to ....now Chipping norton is "out" in the sticks do you know WHERE they could have died ....ie Home or hospital ....coz that will help as the nearest hospital is in one of the "bigger" towns ......

Second , a friend of mine looked for her grandad who was dead before she was born...she went to the undertakers who did the funeral ...she seems to remember asking the vicar where he was buried about the undertakers ...they then told her he was brought from the Hospital .............in another county! that helpped .........

good luck

Just read the last post from sylvia ....she is right BUT didnt you have to re-register the childs birth if the parents marry !!??

if so when was this brought in ??

Just a thought really

The name holtom in this part of the country is not that usual and to be buried in that churchyard which is very small you had to be from around that area and all the holtom's lived around there and so did the hick's family so I think we are barking up the right tree, also the fact that like I said earlier about the woman asking my F in L if he was from 1st or 2nd marriage makes us sure that someone knew about leonard, we are 99% sure he was their's. one other thing is the W.J. that we think stands for walter john after grandfathers dad.


As for knowing where the hicks died we have no idea at all, everybody around here was reg'd at chipping norton even my hubby who was borne 5 miles away was reg'd there, after the 1901 census I cannot find anything else out about the hicks.

Julie (john's wife)

I think it might be well worth pruchasing Leonard's birth certificate, just in case there is another Holtom/Hicks marriage.

I don't know about re-registering births when the parents marry ..... the information I found was in Decemebr 1929, and was for Holtom mmn Hicks ............ and there was NO indication or mark by the side of the entry to direct one elsewhere.


If it was me ........ I'd be getting that birth certificate pdq!



It just seems so peculiar.


sylvia

Well I get back to 1900 and the Hicks in London are lost!!

So today I,m on the hunt ......thread running on Tips if you can help !!!!! me !

Hicks again !

Another reason we think it is all connected is that the two graves have been done by the same stonemason and we have looked all around that churchyard and no other stone has been done by that stonemason, the writting on the stones has lead letters which was very well done and exactly the same on both graves which leads us to believe that the hicks buried both.. I will get the birth cert but I am sure its right, the death one should be here begining of this week

I have ordered the birth cert onlne , will lt you know the out come. I have raymond's 3 brothers and sister and his mum and dad from another tree but thats where it ends!! and the two people who have him in there tree no onthing else about him !!! OMG I am going mad ha ha

you could see if the stone masons is still around !!

But it does not say on there who it was, we have looked all over it..

take a photo and ask the stone mason nearest to the grave yard if he knows whos stye it is ....he may know

Ummm when you live in little villages like us you don't have stonemasons near ha ha the population of that village is properly about 125 people if that, they only have 1 pub and a post office and thats it, and to be honest I think the nearest stonemason to us is 40 mile away. I will ask any of the older folk in the village to see they know who used to do it and see if I can get some clues. Sherlock will be back !! Lol

Well ask the bloke who digs the graves !! haha ...well you made me laugh it sounds like the Hound of the Baskaviles story !!

B***** Hicks'

I have news I will post after dinner !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But what time is



After Dinner ??????????????????

Please tell.........................................

Come on John,
Im surely not the only one sitting on the edge of my seat.
Kay

they do have dinner later in the UK!!!


John .... wherefore art thou??

well I,m off to panic buy my petrol ......

Well .....he didnt tell us what dinner !!!

He must be having all the trimmings...