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Did births not have to be registered in the US?

Gaines family looks very intesting - dates could be right but there is also another child appearing Mary born UK before going to the US?

Hi Jim

I got Jane Holland from Lily's Death Certificate. It seems Australian death certs have fathers name and occupation, mother name and maiden name and also lists all of her children and their ages at time of her death. I've just had another look and it definately looks like Holland - but could be Molland?

I dont know your source for Jane's maiden but saw this;

JANE MOLLAND - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 JUL 1835 Mariansleigh, Devon, England

Dont wish to confuse but look at this.All the first names are right.
1870 United States Federal Census
about Lillie Gaines
Name: Lillie Gaines
Estimated Birth Year: 1867
Age in 1870: 3
Birthplace: Illinois
Home in 1870: Township 6 Range 11, Jersey, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Female
Value of real estate: View Image
Post Office: Elsah
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Gaines 32 england
Jane Gaines 34 england
Mary A Gaines 5 england
Lillie Gaines 3 illinois
John Gaines 5/12 illinois

I can trace Lily, husband and children from her marriage in 1884 until her death in 1949. In the 20's she emigrated with her son to Australia - so she's a real jet setter!! It's Lily's family now I'm very interested in I think the more difficult it becomes the more you want to crack it.

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Yes I believe they came back before 1873 as Annie was born here - unable to find her birth though. Lily married in Devon in 1884 - they then start appearing on the census in 1891. Do you think if I get the death certs of Jane and Richard it would give any information? Strange though no sign of them as a family in the USA. It does look like Jane must of emigrated and they met and married in the US.

Marriages Dec 1876
DAVIS Thomas Exeter 5b 210
GEENS Jane Exeter 5b 210

Rose

Jane in 1881:

1881 England Census
about Jane Davis
Name: Jane Davis
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Maryannsleigh, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Exeter St Sidwell
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address: 143 Sidwells St
Occupation: Char Woman
Registration district: Exeter
Sub-registration district: Exeter Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Davis 45
Thomas Davis 44

Rose

This must be Jane in 1891:

1891 England Census
Name: Jane Davis
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Mariansleigh, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Atherington
Ecclesiastical parish: Atherington
Town: Shirwell
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: Barnstable
Sub-registration district: Bishops Tawton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Cleal 28
Jane Davis 56
Thomas Davis 63
Annie Geen 18 South Molton
John Geen 20 United States
Royden Parkhouse 11/12

So they were in the States in 1870.

Rose

That looks like them Jim. No Richard though.

Rose

What do you think,Rose?
that was hard!!!

1860 United States Federal Census
about John Gren
Name: John Gren
Age in 1860: 57
Birth Year: abt 1803
Birthplace: Europe
Home in 1860: Madison, Jefferson, Indiana
Gender: Male
Post Office: Madison
Value of real estate: View Image
Household Members: Name Age
Jacob Kurtz 56
Mary A Kurtz 66
John Gren 57
Sarah Gren 56
Ellin Gren 30
John Gren 28
Sarah Gren 26
Mary E Gren 24
William H Ho Gren 22
Thomas Gren 20
George Gren 19
Charles Gren 16
Joseph Albert 14
Terrissa Dailey 18
Hugh Garity 30
Bridget Garity 30
John Garity 5
Thomas Garity 3
Andrew Garity 2
Michael Garity 2
Hugh Garity 11.12

The family must be in Madison in 1860 but I don't see them.

Rose

Dont know why but I am finding it all a bit of a slow search.
BTW all my findings from Ancestry.

I don't see them in the 1870 census.

Rose

Where is Lily in 1881?

Rose

the other richard
1841
Richard Geen abt 1835 Devon, England North Molton, Devon
1851
Richard Geen Richard,
Mary abt 1837 North Molton, Devon, England Son North Molton,
1861
Richards Geen abt 1838 North Molton, Devon, England Head North Molton, Devon
death
Richard Geen abt 1837 1867 Jul-Aug-Sep South Molton Devon

Only one I can find

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
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View Record Name Arrival Date Estimated Birth Year Port of Departure Ethnicity/ Nationality Ship Name View Ship Image View Passenger List
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Hannriah Holland 13 Dec 1861 abt 1859 London, England English Plymouth Rock
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Jane Holland 13 Dec 1861 abt 1836 London, England English Plymouth Rock
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Jeromiah Holland 13 Dec 1861 abt 1857 London, England English Plymouth Rock
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Michael Holland 13 Dec 1861 abt 1855 London, England English Plymouth Rock

1870 United States Federal Census
about John Geen
Name: John Geen
Estimated Birth Year: 1804
Age in 1870: 66
Birthplace: England
Home in 1870: Madison, Jefferson, Indiana
Race: White
Gender: Male
Value of real estate: View Image
Post Office: Madison
Household Members: Name Age
John Geen 66
Sarah Geen 69
Sarah Geen 37
Mary Geen 35
Thomas Geen 31
Geoge Geen 29
Joseph Geen 27
Charles Geen 24
Henry Geen 21

Hi
This is a def possibility for emigration. Why I wanted the marraige cert for the parents was that there is in 1841 two families with sons Richard of similar age only difference really is that the mothers are Sarah and Mary as you have listed above. Where did you find the the emigration record? I had mainly searched for a record about the time of Jane and Richards marraige thinking they had gone shortly before.