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kelly of york area , 1919 or earlier
james patrick
joseph patrick
rose or rosemary
lil or lillian
any info gratefully recieved
thanks

i only know james patrik 1919
i cant find any others dates
thanks

patrick sorry

This looks as if it could be the birth reg but just as James

Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
Kelly James Murray York 9d 52

MMN Murray

Christine

Births Mar 1914 (>99%)

KELLY Lilly Murray York 9d 52

Christine

This could be the marriage, if you buy the certificate it will give you both their father's names and ages at marriage

Marriages Dec 1913 (>99%)

Kelly James Murray York 9d 119

Murray Bridget Kelly York 9d 119

Christine

i have looked at murray and masters but i cant find anyother siblings except a liillian ,, can you do census lookups? i know the latter ones are harder to find . found out from my mum that he was born in york but the others might not of been born there , i just sent off for my dads birth certif with masters MMN , totally think i have someone elses certif now ,
ps i havent spoken to my dad in 30 odd years

im trying somehow to match the siblings up with mother MMN, i have my uncles phone number so at the min trying to get intouch with him for more info

The birth reg with Masters as maiden name was Towcester, Northampton wasn't it?

Do you have your mother's marriage cert as that will give your grandfathers name and we should be able to trace his marriage.

Just found the marriage in Towcester and that one is also James.
Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

Marriages Mar 1918 (>99%)

Kelly James Masters Towcester 3b 23
Masters Violet A Kelly Towcester 3b 23

so that idea is no good.


The lastest census available is 1901 so you have to get to know your grandparents names for that.

Christine

dont have mum marriage cert sorry ,,its doing my head in ha ha , my mothers side is a lot easier ,

Do you know that he is still alive as he would be 89 now.

If you get to know the birth year of your uncle I can look at the complete images to find the MMN

Christine

if its murray then mother is bridget and father james kelly married 1913 , dec quarter
but hey yet again i could be barking up yet another wrong tree
patricia

yes my dad is still alive .

Only thing I can suggest is finding out the birth year of one of the other siblings and then I'll look for that.

Christine

well that is one of the things im struggling with , i think joseph patrick was born around 1920 0r later as he's younger than my dad
cant helpmuch more than that untill i talk to him but he seems to be out , tried calling him every half hour , thanks
patricia

If you get hold of him let me know, but will have a look at 1920/21 if Ancestry doesn't play up

Christine

thank you Christine
fingers crossed

patricia

I've done 1920-22 and the only Joseph P is Q3 1920 Tynemouth MMN Kirtley, lots of just Joseph but none with the 2 MMN Masters or Murray and none in York.

Christine

this is the problem see ,ant find any mathing siblings , the only reason i can think of is that joseph and rose had different mothers , or maybe my gr father had more than one wife ,( you never know it might be true ha ha)
im so stressed ,,just a thought they might of been born in ireland ,
thanks
Patricia

I was wondering about Ireland as they are Irish names aren't they?

Maybe you'll have some success when you manage to get hold of your uncle. Will be here for about an hour then away till about 6.

Christine