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JOHN LIVESEY
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 27 MAR 1808 Penwortham, Lancashire, England

Parents:
Father: WILLM LIVESEY Mother: RUTH

and this one

JOHN LIVESEY Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 15 AUG 1813 Penwortham, Lancashire, England

Parents:
Father: RICHD LIVESEY Mother: CATHERINE

ok thanks Maureen
x ;-)) x

Not found a match in 1851

Unless it is the family I have already posted of John and Nancy they are living in Walton-le-Dale, occupation is farmer, not sure of address though it looks something like Load Lane

Oh double bother.

The 1851 for John born 1813 Penwortham
Address is Back Lane - I think

Will take another look at 1851 then

I have a match with a chap of the same people but he has John born in Penwortham
Living in Shudle Farm - Walton-le-Dale/Brindle in 1851 census Aged 25 in 1841 census.

I'm confuzzled AGAIN ! :-))
P.s Maureen these Butterwoth's married into my Ashworths , lol can't you just tell ;-))

So where does John born 1813 Penwortham come in all this.

It would have been easier to work backwards from Thomas Butterworth b1875

1861 poss
Name: Sarah Livsey
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Castleton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Castleton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub registration district: Castleton Without
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 60
Household Members: Name Age
James Livsey 6
John Livsey 13 Darcy Leves, Lancashire
Martha Livsey 17 Darcy Leves, Lancashire
Ralph Livsey 19 Darcy Leves, Lancashire
Robert Livsey 5
Samuel Livsey 3
Sarah Livsey 46 Ainsworth, listed as married
Sarah Livsey 11
Mary Taylor 16

Oh typical no sign of husband



1851
Name: Sarah Livsey
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Castleton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: Castleton Moor

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub registration district: Castleton Without
ED, institution, or vessel: 1i
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 157
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Livsey 15 Bury
James Livsey 5
John Livsey 36 Bolton, carter
John Livsey 3
Martha Livsey 7
Mary Livsey 13
Ralph Livsey 9
Sarah Livsey 36 Bury
Sarah Livsey 1

Now I think if I am right Sarah's name was Greenhalgh before her mariage to John

1871 poss

Name: Samuel Butterworth
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Rochdale
Civil Parish: Rochdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Rochdale
Sub registration district: Castleton Further
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
David Butterworth 3 months
Samuel Butterworth 20
Sarah Butterworth 31 Rochdale



Wish they would make their minds up as to where they were born

Yes Maureen its Walker , clever ;-))

Oh bother not yet found Samuel or Sarah in 1871

1871 there is this family in right area?

Name: John Livsey
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Rochdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Rochdale
Sub registration district: Castleton Further
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 165
Household Members: Name Age
James Livsey 17 Castleton
John Livsey 56
John Livsey 23
Martha Livsey 86 Mother
Robert Livsey 15
Samuel Livsey 13 Castleton
Sarah Livsey 56 Bury

Has Thomas b 1875 got a middle name?

1891 poss
Name: Samuel Butterworth
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Castleton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Castleton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
Town: Castleton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub registration district: Castleton Further
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
David Butterworth 20
Elizabeth Butterworth 6
Hannah Butterworth 12
James W Butterworth 16
John Butterworth 17
Joseph Butterworth 8
Martha Butterworth 10
Mary Butterworth 10
Samuel Butterworth 40
Sarah Butterworth 41
Sarah A Butterworth 4
Thomas W Butterworth 14 Castleton

All lsited as born Castleton


1881
Name: Sarah Butterworth
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Samuel
Gender: Female
Where born: Castleton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Castleton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 64 Partington Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub registration district: Castleton Further
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
David Butterworth 10
Hannah Butterworth 2
James Wm. Butterworth 6
John Butterworth 7
Martha Butterworth
Mary Butterworth
Samuel Butterworth 30
Sarah Butterworth 31
Thos.Walker Butterworth 4

The short answer is NO

Not yet found a Thomas 1875 with parents of Samuel and Sarah

I dont know if its easier this way round might get there that way - I dont know tho
I have Thomas Butterworth born 1875 Rochdale Lancashire who married a Jane Hilton

Thomas's parents were Samuel Butterworth born 1851 Castleton Lancashire & Sarah Livesey ( I think - may need a check on Thomas's parents)

It's then Sarah's parents I am looking for - if it is correct Samuel & Sarah she was born abt 1851 Casleton and her father should be the John I am looking for

Is that any easier ?????????

Deb x

oh bother

1841
Name: John Levesey
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Penwortham
Hundred: Leyland
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Preston
Sub registration district: Longton
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Levesey 45
Ellen Levesey 50
Ellen Levesey 20
John Levesey 15
Mary Levesey 15
Margery Levesey 15
William Levesey 13
Alice Levesey 11
Edward Levesey 9



Only one listed in Civil Parish of Penwortham but age is wrong

No got that wrong.

There is a Civil Parish of Penwortham that comes under the Registration District of Preston

Debbie,

Trouble is that on 1841 allowing for rounding up or down of ages there are too many possibles for any of them to make an educated guess

Registration district in 1841 would appear to be Preston.


Maureen

John 1822 is definatley to late but maybe its not , grrrrrrrrrrr

So far have got 3.

John 1813 in 1851
John 1809 in 1851 and 1861
John 1822 in 1851 thru to 1881

1871 I think this is the family to match the 1881

Name: John Livesey
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Nancy
Gender: Male
Where born: Walton-Le-Dale, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Preston
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: railway plate layer

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Preston
Sub registration district: Preston
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household schedule number: 257
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Livesey 15
Ann Livesey 22
John Livesey 49
John Livesey 12
Nancy Livesey 46 Leyland
Robert Livesey 26
William Livesey 18

1861
Name: John Livesey
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Penwortham, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Preston
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Preston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Preston
Sub registration district: Preston
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Livesey 4
Ann Livesey 36
Ann Livesey 12
John Livesey 39
John Livesey 1
Robert Livesey 14
William Livesey 8
Mary Platt 25
Sarah Ann Platt 2

1851
Name: John Livesey
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Nancy
Gender: Male
Where born: Penwortham, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Walton Le Dale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: farmer

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Preston
Sub registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 101
Household Members: Name Age
Lewis Gerrard 27
Ann Livesey 2
Catherine Livesey 5 Mo
Ellen Livesey 6
John Livesey 29
Nancy Livesey 27 Leyland
Robert Livesey 4
Margaret Smith 23
Christopher Snailham 16
William Sumner 18