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thats the question feel free to look at my tree the reason why we are lookinf for these two is there father we think is a man called frederick bellamy who we have in the workhouse in exeter aged 27 but on the marriage certs willie frederick put down father as samuel deceased so we were hoping that one of the girls could prove that frederick is the father

frederick was never married to ellen but obviosly had fatherd the children he then disappeared and ellen marries mr gard so the girls take on the name but we need to find there birth and marrige certs to help prove frederick is the father sorry if im not clear been at this 9-5 last two days and im a clear novice as you may have noticed lol

Yes................. that's the Maud birth to which I referred above.

We do just like people do their own work occasionally!

There's one Frances Beatrice Bellamy registered in Leicestershirein 1891, and I wondered whether there might have been some sort of late registration, but no, she's present in the 1901 census.


Willie and Fred in 1901:


Name: Willie Bellamy
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Exeter, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Exeter
Ecclesiastical parish: St Sidwell
Town: Exeter
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Exeter
Sub registration district: Exeter
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 225

>> Frederick Bellamy 17
>> Willie Bellamy 13
Charles Gard 38
Ellen J Gard 42
Ellen J Gard 8


Maud Ellen and Frances Beatrice have gone AWOL, is that it?

Looks like the people in 1891.


Name: Frances Neal
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Frances
Gender: Female
Where born: Exeter, Devon, England

Civil Parish: St Sidwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Exeter
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Exeter
Sub registration district: Exeter Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 9

Ellen Neal 30 (aging somewhat slowly)
Frances Neal 48 (aging very slowly)
>> Frances Neal 10
>> Fred Neal 7
Henry Neal 44
>> Maud Neal 14
>> Willie Neal 4


Frances and Henry are shown (checked image) as parents, with all others as their children. This is inconsistent with 1881, in which Maud appears as granddaughter of Frances.


And now ... the questions?

Er, yeah. Maud Ellen Neal's birth is right there in Exeter in Sep quarter 1878.

I was just kind of assuming you'd looked ...

But -- it's not their births you're looking for, it's what came later?

How's about -- you get the birth info for the various people from

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

and post it here, and then we can have a go at finding what you're looking for. Marriages, children, that sort of thing?

Okay ... here's Maud in 1881:


Name: Maud E. Neal
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Exeter, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Exeter St Sidwell
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address: 9 Hextons Court St Sidwells Street

Registration district: Exeter
Sub registration district: Exeter Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 9

Elizabeth Neal 13
Ellen J. Neal 24
Frances Neal 46
Maud E. Neal 3


Is Ellen her mother?

have you tried freebmd

Could you tell us their parents' names, please? The info is pretty vague. Finding the household in a census could nail down birth years somewhat, or at least birth order, to help find them.

hi would like some help on trying to find two people

* maud ellen bellamy or maude ellen neal

* frances beatrice bellamy or frances beatrice neal

both born in the exeter area around 1878 give or take a few years they had a sister called florance ellen and two brothers william bellamy and
frederick bellamy william was rgisterd under neal but was a bellamy. if you need to see my ree let me know!!

simon