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They have changed the search on FMP Ginns and I can no longer do a street search but I have done this in the past with no result. I seen to remember there were a lot of 'lodgers' so they could just have stayed there for a short time before they married.

Am going to look for Flip's Alex and Margaret...........

Dea x

Have you done an address search for the 1871 census?

I don't have FMP and it's a ball ache doing it on Ancestry


Wheathill St Salford

This Margaret had a brother John, a bricklayer - if she lied about her age she may had also lied about her father??......... clutching at straws really :-S

Thanks Flip,

Margaret's father was John but I will look further into that one just in case.

Have to go cook lunch now or hubby will explode.

Will be back later.

Thanks to all who are trying to help.

Dea x

Going back to the mother's marriage to Peter Statham in 1864 - they both gave the address of Temperance Street, but weren't there on 1861/1871 census - I can't find Peter in 1861. He'd been married 16/2/1839 to Charlotte Rogerson, then 4/8/1844 to Ann Booth.

However, the point is there is an Alex mcLoughlin (1821) with daughter Margaret living at 18 Temperance St in 1871, although she is a bit old at 22. Just wondered if there could be some connection.

There were also 2 Sarah's both with a Mark as a father !!!


Baptism: 4 Jul 1880 St Mary the Virgin, Bury, Lancashire, England
Sarah Fenton - [Child] of Mark Fenton & Margaret
Born: 2 Apr 1880
Abode: Bury
Occupation: Furnaceman
Baptised by: T. D. Morris Curate
Register: Baptisms 1861 - 1882, Page 480, Entry 3833
Source: Original Register



Baptism: 25 Jul 1883 St George, Pendleton, Lancashire, England
Sarah Ellen Fenton - [Child] of Mark Fenton & Jane
Abode: 6 Kent St.
Occupation: Mason
Baptised by: S. Cundy
Register: Baptisms 1872 - 1883, Page 268, Entry 2140
Source: Manchester Central Library

The bottom one is 'mine' ;-) :-D :-D

Dea x

Are you sure Dea........the 1891 above ties in with Mark' new partner


:-S

No Ginns - that is a different Mark + Margaret Fenton just to confuse matters.

Dea x

Here with step mother? Seems Mark was a bit of lad!




1891 England Census

Name:Sarah Ann Fenton

Age:7

Estimated birth year:abt 1884

Relation:Daughter

Father's Name:Mark Fenton

Mother's name:Jane Fenton

Gender:Female

Where born:Pendleton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish:Pendleton

Ecclesiastical parish:St George

Town:Irlam o th Height

County/Island:
Lancashire

Registration district:Salford

Sub-registration district:Pendleton

ED, institution, or vessel:39

Piece:3207

Folio:126

Page Number:33

Household Members:



Mark Fenton 41
Jane Fenton 39
John Fenton 20
Elizabeth Ellen Fenton 14
Mark Fenton 12
Mary Jane Fenton 9
Sarah Ann Fenton 7




Deaths Dec 1886

FENTON Margaret 43 Bury 8c 336

Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915


Name:Sarah Fenton

Birth Date:
2 Apr 1880

Age:0

Baptism Date:4 Jul 1880

Parish:Bury, St Mary

Parish as it Appears:Bury

Father's Name:Mark Fenton

Mother's name:Margaret Fenton

Item Number:5

Archive Roll:672

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1881 England Census

Name:Sarah Fenten

Age:1

Estimated birth year:abt 1880

Relationship to Head:Daughter

Father:
Mark Fenten

Mother:
Margaret Fenten

Gender:Female

Where born:Bury, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish:Bury

County/Island:
Lancashire

Street address:
19 Hornby Street

Registration district:Bury

Sub-registration district:North Bury

ED, institution, or vessel:1

Piece:3863

Folio:14

Page Number:22

Household Members:


Mark Fenten 50
Margaret Fenten 38 <<<The age is difficult to read on the census
Jane Dean Fenten 9
Bernard Fenten 5
Sarah Fenten 1
James Fenten 57


Dea

Is this your family :-S


Added.......Sarah with her brother



1901 England Census

Name:Sarah Ann Fenton

Age:19

Estimated birth year:abt 1882

Relation to Head:Sister

Gender:Female

Birth Place:Pendleton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish:Pendleton

Ecclesiastical parish:St George

County/Island:Lancashire

Registration district:Salford

Sub-registration district:Pendleton

ED, institution, or vessel:59

Piece:3719

Folio:123

Page Number:12

Household schedule number:69

Household Members:


John Fenton 30
William Acton 31
Elizabeth E Acton 26
Sarah Ann Fenton 19
Lucy Irvine 16
Lily Acton 7
Hannah Acton 5
Mary J Acton 4

Thanks Mary - that is a copy of 'my' cert. The person originally had the wrong wife for Mark so I sent a copy through to him as proof.

Both Margaret and Jane would have been very young at the time of Thomas's birth.

Dea x

Witness'e to Margaret and Mark were George and Emma Fenton.
There is a copy on a Ancestry tree.

If Margaret was born 1853 she would have only been 15 when Thomas Fenton was born in Manchester.

Maryb.

They were 'his' relatives Ginns - George and Emma Fenton.

No help there then.

Dea x

Dea

Who were the witnesses on Margaret and Mark' marriage cert?

Thanks Flip - You are probably right :-(

It was worth a try though Ginns . This has puzzled me for many years now and I keep going back to it but I don't think I am ever going to sort it out :-(

I will keep looking............

Thanks to everyone for your help. <3

Dea Xxx

Looks unlikely Dea. I wonder if Mark/Jane never married because he was not free to marry?

He marries Margaret in January, but by the time of the census was living with his mother - maybe Margaret just up and left, and ended up living with someone else as well - just a thought.

Looks like we can forget about that girls then, if she was born a Fenton



Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915


Name:Margaret Fenton

Baptism Date:23 Apr 1854

Parish:Bolton le Moors, St Peter

Parish as it Appears:Bolton-le-Moors

Father's Name:John Fenton <<<<<<<<<Labourer

Mother's name:Nancy Fenton

Reference Number:
GB127.L243/1/3/22

This would be the 'Bolton' Margaret and her fathjer IS John but the occupation is wrong ??

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
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First Name JOHN
Last Name FENTEN
Relationship HEAD
Condition MARRIED
Gender Male
Age 39
Year Of Birth 1822
Occupation PLATELAYER
Birth Town -
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Birth Place -
House Name ... COTTAGES
Street ... HEATH
Parish DALTON
Town -
City -
Registration District ULVERSTON
County Lancashire
Country ENGLAND
Archive Reference RG09
Piece Number 3171
Folio 50
Page 29
Record set 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Record collection Census
Collections from Great Britain


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Other Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth
NANCY FENTEN WIFE 39 1822
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THOMAS FENTEN SON 14 1847
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ELIZABETH FENTEN DAUGHTER 10 1851
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MARGARET FENTEN DAUGHTER 7 1854
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DOROTHY FENTEN DAUGHTER 1 1860




Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1854
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
FENTON Margaret Eastern Bolton Bolton SINGLETON EB/30/243


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1846
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
FENTON John SINGLETON Nancy Kirkham, St.Michaels Preston FG/1/361

Not sure about this ???

Dea x

Still with the Pye couple



1881 England Census


Name:Margaret Fenton

Age:27

Estimated birth year:abt 1854

Relationship to Head:Niece

Gender:Female

Where born:Bolton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish:Thornton in Fylde

County/Island:Lancashire

Occupation:Visitor

Registration district:Fylde

Sub-registration district:Poulton le Fylde

ED, institution, or vessel:
23

Piece:4255

Folio:72

Page Number:3

Household Members:


Name

Age

John Pye 46
Dorothy Pye 50
Margaret Fenton 27

No marital status for Margaret on either of the censuses above

Mark's father was George, whereas Dorothy's was Thomas so it could follow that Dorothy was Mark's aunt.

Marriage: 2 Feb 1861 Christ Church, Thornton le Fylde, Lancashire, England
John Pye - (X), Full Age, Labourer, Bachelor, Thornton
Dorothy Fenton - Full Age, Spinster, Thornton
Groom's Father: William Pye, Labourer
Bride's Father: Thomas Fenton, Labourer
Witness: William Pye; Mary Simpson
Married by Banns by: I Durrant, Incumbent
Register: Marriages 1838 - 1900, Page 78, Entry 155
Source: LDS Film 1470929

The Margaret Fenton on the 1871 with the Pye's was born Bolton - does that fit?