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I have this family for the 1901 (with the help of a GR member) could someone do a look-up for the 1891 or any census before that for the family of

Lucy Keeling born 1888 - Tottenham

Fathers name Frederick mother, I believe Emily?

Thank you for your help

1891??

PERRELL, Lucy A Head Widow F 63 1828
Bishopsgate VIEW
PERRELL, Thomas Son Single M 32 1859 Carpenter
Essex VIEW
KEELING, Frederick Grandson M 3 1888
West Green
Middlesex VIEW
KEELING, Mary Daughter F 23 1868 Laundress
London VIEW
KEELING, Lucy Granddaughter F 1 (17M) 1890
West Green
Middlesex VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
1075 Folio:
89 Page:
22

Registration District:
Edmonton Sub District:
Tottenham EnumerationDistrict:
26 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Anns

Civil Parish:
Tottenham Municipal Borough:
Address:
3, Cornwall Cottage, Cornwall Road, Tottenham County:
Middlesex

Thanks Jeanette

Jeanette do you think this is the same family you posted earlier for me???????????

1901 England Census

Name: Lucy Keeling
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Frederick
Mother's Name: Emily A
Gender: Female
Where born: Tottenham, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Walthamstow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: Walthamstow
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub registration district: Walthamstow
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 133
Household Members: Name Age
Emily A Keeling 27
Frederick Keeling 30
Frederick Keeling 14
John Keeling 9
Lucy Keeling 13
Rose Keeling 5
William Keeling 7

hi paulaw
1881 census

Name: Frederick Keeling
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Walter
Mother's Name: Harriett
Gender: Male
Where born: Holloway, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Tottenham
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: 2 Youngs Cottages
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub registration district: Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Bertie. Keeling 4
Ellen Keeling
Frederick Keeling 6
Harriett Keeling 27
Rose Keeling 2
Walter Keeling 31
regards
mick

Hi Paula

not sure but Lucy was only one in 1891 census born London, other 2 were born Derbyshire and Nottingham

This looks as if it's the family in 1891 but Lucy isn't with them

1891 England Census
about Frederick I Keeling
Name: Frederick I Keeling
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily I
Gender: Male
Where born: Stanford Le Hope, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Chadwell St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Chadwell St Mary
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Orsett
Sub registration district: Orsett
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Emily I Keeling 21 born North Cambridge
Frederick Keeling 3
Frederick I Keeling 25
Mary B Keeling 1
William Pease 18 lodger


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1379; Folio 40; Page 9;

There is a big mark over his age but I think it is 30.
Christine

Thanks Jeanette for your opinion.

Mick thanks but not sure about the 1881 family. Will have to wait and see if any other census info is posted to try and tie the families together from the 1901 census above.

Thanks both for your help much appreciated.

Regards Paula

Thanks Christine

Just wondering if she was visiting the grandparents as posted above for the 1891 by Jeanette

The other thing is the family seemed to all come from the Tottenham area of London but they also seemed to move around a lot......


Regards Paula

Got to log off now for a while chores calling.

Will check back later thanks everyone for looking

Regards Paula

Hi,

Don't know if it helps as I don't know which one you are following but on the 1891 which Jeanette posted -

The name Perrell is actually Powell which would seem to match the following marriage:

Marriages Dec 1886

***KEELING Frederick Edmonton 3a 433
LOFTHOUSE Mary Ann M Edmonton 3a 433
***POWELL Mary Jane Edmonton 3a 433
Wright Robert Edmonton 3a 433

Dea x

The family I posted were the wrong ones as I found them in 1901.

Maybe Emily was Fredericks 2nd wife because if you look at Emily's age in 1901 she is too young to have been the mother of Frederick and Lucy.

Christine

Thanks Christine and Dea

Have discovered since placing this thread, from the friend I am doing research for, that a member of the family apparently had quite a few different ladies, he may have put them down as wifes not sure??

He was convicted of a murder in and hanged.

Thank you for your input if anyone could do an further look ups for the Keeling family i.e. Frederick Snr I would very much appreciate it.

Regards Paula

I can't find one in 1891 or earlier which seems to fit in, sorry.

Christine

this is the BD for the Frederick who was hanged


Births Jun 1868 (>99%)
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KEELING Frederick Alexander Islington 1b 242


Deaths Jun 1922 (97%)
Keeling Frederick A 54 Islington 1b 289



No Frederick A on census

1871

KEELING, Robert Head M 44 1827 Middlesex VIEW
KEELING, Mary Wife F 43 1828 Sussex VIEW
KEELING, Henry Son M 15 1856 Middlesex VIEW
KEELING, Samuel Son M 13 1858 Middlesex VIEW
KEELING, Catharine Daughter F 9 1862 Middlesex VIEW
KEELING, Frederick Son M 3 1868 Middlesex VIEW
KEELING, Charles Son M 1 1870 Middlesex VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
303 Folio:
25 Page:
41

Registration District:
Islington Sub District:
Islington, East EnumerationDistrict:
63 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St Mary Islington Municipal Borough:
Address:
Ashburton Grove, St Mary Islington County:
London, Middlesex

After seeing that Jeanette, he must be this one in 1891, mistranscribed.

Correction explains that he is son of Mary Keeling.

Image shows Mary Keeling.

He is single on here.

1891 England Census
about Frederic Ellerbeck
Name: Frederic Ellerbeck
[Frederick Keeling]
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, London, England

Civil Parish: Tottenham
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub registration district: Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 20b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Ellerbeck 63
Charles Ellerbeck 21
Frederic Ellerbeck 23
Harriet Ellerbeck 22
Mary Ellerbeck 64

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1073; Folio 121; Page 47

Christine

cant find Frederick in 1881

could this be him living apart from Mary and children

1891

KEELING, Mary Wife Married F 64 1827
Brighton VIEW
KEELING, Charles Son Single M 21 1870 General Labourer
Hornsey
London VIEW
KEELING, Frederic Son Single M 23 1868 General Labourer
Islington
London VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
1073 Folio:
121 Page:
47

Registration District:
Edmonton Sub District:
Tottenham EnumerationDistrict:
20 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St John

Civil Parish:
Tottenham Municipal Borough:
Tottenham Address:
129, Tewkesbury Road, Tottenham County:
Middlesex

he is stated as single but maybe considered himself as such.

the ages and POB match 1871

Hi Christine

didn't refresh before posting!!

the 1891 I posted is the same census but mine's from FMP

I've checked image for 1901 - Frederick is plasterer's labourer

Hi Jeanette and Christine

The 1901 census is the correct Frederick

The 1881 census the enumerator must have had a brainstorm when writing down the name Ellerbeck sounds nothing like Keeling but that may be the name they were using

The 1871 although no Frederick A was listed as you say age fits.

Not able to confirm if all the details you have posted I have as much idea about the family as you have and am doing this for a friend. He has the death cert for Frederick A. I will ask him who registereed the death probably the prison authorities.

Thank you for your help it is very much appreciated.

Regareds Paula