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Jane Harbottle had John George Harbottle the same month she married James.! bit of a scandel. The information someone has just gave me on here says that Jane and Thomas had 5 years apart that means that she would have been 15 when she had William. Can anyone find out if Jane Aynsley was born in 1816

Evidently Jane had a son before she married James:
1891 census
Jordison's Buildings, Green Lane, Harton, Durham
James Smailes, head, 50, general labourer, born Mitford
Jane, wife, 40, born Bedlington
Jno. Geo. Harbottle, son, 17, born Durham, Boldon
Eleanor Smaile, dau, 10 months, born Durham, Haitor?

And next door:
Ralph Harbottle, head, 66, general labourer, born Northumberland
Eleanor, wife, 67, born Newburn
Jane A., grandau, 17, born Durham, Claydon?

I have a feeling that the William i have on my tree should not be there otherwise his mum would have been 10 like i found out. Does anyone agree?

1841

Name: Thomas Smiles
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Morpeth
Hundred: Castle (East Division)
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Morpeth
Sub registration district: Bedlington
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age

Thomas Smiles 30
Jane Smiles 35
William Smiles 10
Thomas Smiles 5
Robert Smiles 4
James Smiles 1

All the information you have gave me matches but i also have a brother William. I just want to know who they married and whether they had children if that is possible. Thank you

I am butting out of this now as I think there are people on here with more experience than me and I don't want to "cloud the issue!"

Good luck

Regards Paula

James Smailes married Jane Harbottle Dec. Q 1883, Chester le Street. (10a 725)

James in 1851..........possibly

Name: James Smailes
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Meldon, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: High and Low Highlaws
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Morpeth
Sub registration district: Morpeth
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
James Smailes 11
Jane Smailes 48 b. Earsdon, North'd
John Smailes 7
Robert Smailes 13
Thomas Smailes 43 b. Warenford, North'd
Thomas Smailes 17

That side in my family tree matches. Can you now find out about Eleanor's dads family because that is the confusing part. (James Smailes)

1901 census
27 Brinkburn St., S. Shields, Durham
Jane Swailes, head, widow, 50, waits on son, domestic, born Northumberland, Bedlington
John G., son, 17, engine cleaner, born Durham, Boldon
*Eleanor, dau, 10, born S. Shields
Ralph Harbottle, father, 76, retired hind (dependant on sons), born Northumberland, Warkworth
Eleanor Harbottle, mother, 77, born Newburn

1891 census

Name: Jane Smailes
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Bedlington, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Harton
Ecclesiastical parish: St. Simon
Town: Harton
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: South Shields
Sub registration district: Westoe
ED, institution, or vessel: 52b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jno Geo Harbottle 7
Eleaner Smailes 10/12
James Smailes 50 b. Milford, Northumberland
Jane Smailes 40

Here is the 1881 census for Durham showing a marriage to Isabella so not sure if you want Durham or Northumberland as you stated

Thomas SMAILES Head M Male 54 Tanfield, Durham, England Colliery Engineman (Driver)
Isabella SMAILES Wife M Female 50 Tanfield, Durham, England
John SMAILES Son W Male 24 Tanfield, Durham, England Grocers Assistant
Mary SMAILES Daur U Female 20 Tanfield, Durham, England Dressmaker
Sarah J. SMAILES Daur U Female 17 Tanfield, Durham, England
Nicholas SMAILES Son Male 12 Tanfield, Durham, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling No 78
Census Place Tanfield, Durham, England
Family History Library Film 1342188
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4942 / 66
Page Number 17

here we go, then................

1901

Name: Eleanor Smailes
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: South Shields

Civil Parish: South Shields
Ecclesiastical parish: Harton All Saints
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: South Shields
Sub registration district: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 78
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 173
Household Members: Name Age
Eleanor Harbottle 77
Ralph Harbottle 76
Eleanor Smailes 10
Jane Smailes 50 b. Bedlington, North'd
John G Smailes 17 b. Boldon, Co. Durham

The Harbottles are Jane's parents

Snap! Eric, great minds think alike!
(Course idiots sometimes think alike, too!)

My nans nan is Eleanor Smailes born 1891 i believe her parents were James and Jane. Then James parents i believe are Thomas and Jane. I found out who James siblings were and now i am trying to find out who they married

This could be Thomas Snr with Jane??

Thomas SMAILS Head M Male 67 Kirkbrigston, Northumberland, England General Laborer
Jane SMAILS Wife M Female 69 Ford, Northumberland, England
Mary Jane SMAILS Daur U Female 19 Kirknewton, Northumberland, England Ag Lab


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Source Information:
Census Place Ford, Northumberland, England
Family History Library Film 1342239
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5133 / 50
Page Number 4

1881 census

Lania, I think you're going about this the wrong way. It's much better to work backwards through the censuses, starting with the person who you know definitely is yours.
Are you definitely descended from this William Swailes? How? Through which child?

How did you arrive at William?

Which of his children is your direct ancestor?

Perhaps we can help you work backwards.....rather than forwards?

I have posted above Thomas and Jane marriage and also the birth of Thomas Jnr. These are from familysearch and are submitted records so would need to be verified.

Regards Paula

I am trying to research it now because i was trying to piece things together and it wasnt working with the information i was given so i am trying to start all over again