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Hi All

Is there anyone in Philadelphia, or anyone who can do a lookup in Philadelphia, for me please?

Or if not is there anyone who can give me some guidance on how to find a birth there please?

I'm really desperate to find the birth of Ernest Hutchinson born May or June 1895. It's possible the birth could be registered in his mmn (which I don't know!!) but I'm sure it will have Thomas Hutchinson, occ. Boot/shoe maker named as his father.

Many thanks in advance to everyone who can help with this.

Mary

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Not sure if this is your Ernest or not but there is only one Ernest Hutchinson listed in the Social Security Death Index with a birth year of 1895. At the time Social Security was applied for he was in Ohio. (People at that time applied for their Social Security numbers when they went to work. Now adays Social Security numbers are issued at birth.)

Born September 29, 1895
Death: November, 1979
Last known residence: Canada

You can write the Social Security Death Index for more information. There is a section on the site below that describes what Social Security is and where to write:

http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/

You can also view the information I sent by inputting Ernest's name and year of birth.

I've had a lot of success, too using the Family Search site....new info being posted all the time as volunteers transcribe the documents. On the home page under WHAT'S NEW, click on SEE NEW PROTYPE FOR SEARCHING MILLIONS ON NEW RECORDS.

www.familysearch.org

Judy (in the States)

You can obtain a copy of Ernest's birth from the city of Philadelphia here:

http://www.phila.gov/phils/Docs/Inventor/genealgy.htm

Fee's are listed on the site which are reasonable....under $10.00.

Judy

Hi Judy

Thanks very much for the info......whether this is my Ernest or not I really haven't a clue :-((

I know he came into the UK in 1896 as an 8 month old baby and was still here in 1901.....after that I've no idea what happened to him. He may well have gone to Canada?

Mary

Hi Judy

Thank you very much, I shall go and have a look right now :-)))

Will they supply certs to UK do you know?

Mary

Mary:

If he wasn't in the US as an adult the above social security information wouldn't be him. His birth, though, would be documented in Philadelphia if that is where he was born and the information can be obtained through the website above.

Judy

Thanks again for all your help Judy.

I've had a look at the site and downloaded the order form to get a birth cert. As far as I can make out it has to be sent by post and I'm hoping that there is no problem about them sending it to me here in the UK. :-)

Mary

I don't see WWI attestation papers for him in Canada:
http://search-recherche.collectionscanada.gc.ca/archives/search.jsp?Language=eng

I don't see Ernest in Canada in 1911 (with the exact spelling of Hutchinson).
http://automatedgenealogy.com/

Mary...I am a few miles from Philadelphia. I can make a trip over there or if using my home address cuts down in any red tape helps I would be more than happy to help and forward documents to you....let me know if you have any problems.

Judy

Lisa...nice to see a friendly "face" still on the boards! Saw your name a few times while trolling through the boards.....LOL

Judy

Hi Judy

Thank you very very much for the offer, very appreciated. I have sent them an email about supplying a cert to the UK and am waiting on a reply. So I may take you up on your kind offer if that's okay, will let you know what they say. :-))

Many thanks
Mary

Hi Lisa

Thank you very much for looking for me. As far as I know at this time, Ernest stayed in the UK. Although my grandmother clearly remembers going on a ship to America when she was a young child....was it to take Ernest back to the US?? I just really don't know!

I am trawling through the outgoing passenger lists - again! - trying to find any evidence of her trip but haven't found anything concrete yet :-(

Many thanks
Mary

Mary, if I may help look, please let me know?

Was Ernest's mother American? You have evidence of his father's death in England? Did any other rellies come/stay in America? Asking the obvious, but your searches have included the spelling "Earnest"? (I have several rellies with the name Ernest from that time period and a few of them are on census returns with the Earnest spellings.)

Judy: Hi! Good to see you back (?). I saw a couple of your responses a few hours ago and wondered if it was you. I thought it was, by your replies. (I always learn so much reading your replies.) There are several of us now who reply on American/Canadian posts and it's fun "bumping into each other" on the various posts. :) I hope you'll join our little group? :)

Hi Lisa

Sorry, I've only just seen your post :-((

Yes please, I would really welcome any help you are able to give, thank you :-)) I'll put everything I know:

Thomas Hutchinson born 1865, Nottingham. He went to the US sometime after the UK 1881census was taken. He took American citizenship or naturalisation at Paradise Plantation, (not sure where that is but assume it's NY?), my mother remembers seeing the card when she was a young girl so we know it to be true, but have not managed to find it in the records anywhere. It also gave permission for him to teach boot and shoemaking to prisoners in Texas, Nevada and Utah. I did find a Thomas Hutchinson, boot and shoe shop in a directory for Philadelphia 1890 and I do think this was him. No-one else from his family ever went abroad anywhere, just him.

I haven't been able to find out anything more about his time in the US - but the family story is that he married out there and had a family, his wife died and he returned home with 3 children, one a baby in arms.

He is in England on the 1901 census in Nottinham with his 2nd wife and William aged 13, plus his daughter from 2nd marriage (my grandmother). Florence died in 1900 from meningitis....I have her death cert. Ernest is not with them on 1901 census but I believe I have found him living with a Francis Hallam, aged 6, noted as *Adopted son* born Philadelphia. Don't know why as yet :-((

I have now found him on the UK incoming passenger list for 1896 - details are:

Philadelphia to Liverpool - 15th Feb 1896
Thomas Hutchinson, age 32, shoemaker
William Hutchinson, age 8
Florence Hutchinson, age 6
Ernest Hutchinson, age 8 months.

The above matches what my grandmother has always said and I do have a photo of William and Florence c1897/8. Strangely, my grandmother knew the name Hallam, and thought it was possibly the name of their mother.....now though I realise that what she heard as a child was her parents talking about the family Ernest was living with, which is another reason why I am so sure that Ernest living with Francis Hallam is her half brother.

I do so wish the 1911 census was available now! I don't know if William or Ernest married, died, returned to US?? - in fact I know nothing more about them really. My grandmother and family moved to the south of England about 1913 when she was only 12 years old so I don't suppose she even knew William that well, he being 13 years older than her :-((

Sorry, that's all a bit long winded.

Many thanks

Mary

Hi Mary:
Sorry it took so long for me to get back here.

I am starting to look around (and can't find anything yet).

However, I wonder if your mum saw two cards; one for citizenship and the other for permission to teach boot making? Being Canadian, I certainly don't know a lot about American "things", but the comment about Thomas being allowed to teach in Texas, Nevada and Utah just seems odd! I wonder if he worked for the prison system? Back in "those days", travel was a bit difficult. I don't think it was too common to go from state to state, teaching. Texas, of course, is a huge state, and I would think travel in Nevada and Utah would be difficult. He may have travelled by train, but with the size of the states, the mountains, and the deserts, I wouldn't have wanted to travel! I believe he might have worked for the prison system or government or something else.

Be careful with assuming you found him in 1890. Boot/shoemaking was a common occupation in North America. [Note: after rereading that the family was in Philadelphia, it most likely was your Thomas.]

I cannot find Paradise Plantation in America. Even if the town was renamed, I would think it would still be found when doing a google search.

I'm off now to look for William and Ernest.

Providence, Rhode Island Directory, 1890-1891
Thomas Hutchinson
303 Broadway, at J.
Shoemaker
Providence, Rhode Island

Probably not your Thomas, but letting you know:
1889-1891, Thomas P. Hutchinson, 310 Bank, Waterbury, Connecticut, Shoe Store

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi
You could look here for Hutchinson, buried Pennsylvania (there are 279 matches).

http://www.phila.gov/phils/Docs/Inventor/natz.htm
"The petition for naturalization, important as proof of your ancestor's successful bid to become a citizen of the United States, contains no genealogical information before 1906. It will state the date and court before which the applicant made his declaration, the applicant's desire to become a citizen, a voucher from an existing citizen as to the applicant's moral character, date of the petition, and the applicant's signature or mark."

I wonder if there is an LDS Centre near you...you might be able to order records regarding Philadelphia and be able to find the death of Thomas' wife? Or, a much easier way to get information, would be from the birth certificate you are trying to order! :)

Do you know where William and Florence were born? Have you looked on the LDS site for the family?
(I didn't see them.)
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp
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There is a:
Florence Mary Hutchinson
birth: 19-June-1890, Johnston, Providence, Rhode Island
Parents: Thos. Hutchinson, Mary