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Thanks Margaret, at least I can begin to look for jANE'S birth around 1824.
Pamela

So sorry, Pamela, Jane was 27 in 1851. My mistake, will go back and change it.

Found a bit more

1861 Brighton 600 folio 96 page 18 LUNA

Jane Lunn Wdw 39y Cuckfield
Elizabeth 9y Brighton
John 11y Brighton

Henrietta working as a servant, no Ruth or James
Deaths 1851 / 61

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Found a James Lunn 1851 in Brighton working as a Porter " Queens Hotel " 1646 folio 60 page 2

James Lunn 35y Porter Oxfordshire Henley [?]
indexed as Sussex
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There is no marriage for Francis Elliott and Ruth
on the Sussex marriage index.

Presume Ruth is a Pollard ??

1841 Cuckfield
Francis Elliott 65y Broom maker
Ruth Elliott 54y
Ruth Elliott 12y
Eleanor Elliott 9y [marriage witness]

1851
Eleanor Elliott 19y is a visitor to James Pollard 38y Cuckfield
Alice Pollard 37y
Patience 12y
James 6y
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Your Thomas Henry may not have been the son of James Lunn ??

I know I'm a pain, but is Jane 27 or 37??

I know I'm a pain, but is Jane 27 or 37??

Sorry, Pamela, it was the 1851 census. I thought you had it, I was just confirming the address. here it is:
1851 census
30 Carlton Row. Brighton, Sussex
Jane Pollard, head, unmarried, 27, ironer, born Sussex, Cuckfold
Ruth, dau, 2, born Brighton
Henrietta, dau, 5 months, born Middlesex, London

At same address:
Sarah Humphrey, head, married, 31, laundress, born Brighton
Sarah Jane, dau, 8, born Brighton

Hi Margaret, When did Jane and her daughters live at Carlton Row?

The Francis Elliott who's living with Ruth Pollard is a broom maker.

30 Carlton Row, Brighton is where Jane Pollard, unmarried, 27, is living with her daughters Ruth, 2, and Henrietta, 5 months. Jane was born Cuckfold, Ruth, Brighton and Henrietta, London.

At the same address is Sarah Humphrey, 31, married and daughter Sarah Jane, 8.

Hi Eric,
I now have the cert. James Lunn, widower marr. Jane Elliott Pollard, spinster July 19, 1851. Both addresses are given as 30 Carlton Row Brighton, both of full age (so thta's no help).

Father of James is John Lunn, a farmer and Jane's father is Francis Pollard, a smith. Married at St Nicholas Church.

Witnesses were William Shelley and Eleanor Marney/Marnly Elliott.

I wonder if the Francis Pollard is the Francis Elliott that I found on 1851 census with Ruth Pollard??

Would you mind looking at this?
Pamela

The names Pollard and Elliott seem intertwined

Have you considered obtaining the marriage cert?

nudge

Thanks Eric, I have found Ruth Ann Elliott Pollard - mother Jane Elliott Pollard on IGI christened Dec 1850; also Henrietta Pollard - mother Jane Elliott Pollard, also christened Dec 1850.

On 1841 census I have found Ruth Elliott 54 (with Francis Elliott) and a daughter Ruth age12 at Cuckfield Sussex

What do you think are the chances of this being the family?

I also found on IGI another Jane Pollard christened July 1841. Again it would have to be a late christen ing.
Pamela

This is from the IGI.............BUT..........either this isn't the same Jane, or she was not a baby when she was christened

JANE ELLIOTT POLLARD

Christening: 07 NOV 1842 St Peter, Brighton, Sussex, England


Parents:
Mother: RUTH POLLARD

This is the son in 1871............no sign of his mother

: Thomas H Lunn
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Slaugham
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Registration district: Cuckfield
Sub registration district: Cuckfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 174
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas H Lunn 8
Fanny Rice 10
George Rice 15
Mary Ann Rice 51
William Rice 20
Harriet Skinner 18

Can't seem to find James and Jane on 1861 census............perhaps they are on one of the 'missing' pieces.

I think you are going to need to obtain the marriage cert..........until you find out some age info, any searches will be guesswork. The marriage cert will also tell you his occupation, his father's name, and father's occupation, thus making census searches more likely to produce the correct result,

Closing down now - will look tomorrow.

Sorry Margaret, Eric just put me right about going to reply, and not just clicking on your name.

I'm sure the marriage you suggest is correct but I cannot find him further back ie census dob etc

Thanks Saul, I would like to know when james was born, when he died and if he can be found on census returns

Thanks Eric for putting me straight. I was talking about James Lunn of Brighton

Thanks too for responding so fast - the last time I made a request I hadn't realised that there are others as crazy about this subject as me; and on their computers so late!!