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Or that could have been a sibling. Just thought the name, time period and father's occupation were interesting.

You might search the censuses for Keen born in India, in case your Keen had brothers or unmarried systers who went to England.

One maybe of interest that I see is:

Name: Thomas Pacey Keen
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Enna Louisa
-- likely Emma (faint on image) -- born in India
Gender: Male
Where born: Minety, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Somerset

He is a clergyman. Could conceivably have been the son of a physician who was in India. Eldest child born in India c1864. Probably more likely he was in India later himself on religious duty, and met and married there. Could have been younger brother of the physician ...

Aha, this is the marriage, from FIBIS:

Presidency of Marriage BENGAL
Marriage Year 1862
Husband First Names Thomas
Husband Surname Keene
Wife First Names Emma L
Wife Surname Burroughs

It could be the same family, you never know. The 1871 census image does say KEEN with no "e".
In 1881 there is:

Name: Elizabeth A. Keen
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Niece
Where born: (British Subject), India
Civil Parish: Rotherhithe

Ann Keen 80 - HOH, born Cornwall
Elizabeth Keen 41 - daughter, born Cornwall
Elizabeth A. Keen 17

conceivably a niece of your Elizabeth. ... Well, no, since that family already has an Elizabeth in that generation, lol. But you see what I mean.

Finding siblings or nieces/nephews might find you somebody in a tree here or some such.

Thanks Evie - the 1835 birth is worth a look up at the BL IOR - perhaps they'll have further info on a first name. I am unaware of her parents - her maiden name has been passed down through the family.

if you google there is a wealth of information of British Armies in India

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this is the name of the site

This is rather interesting maybe.

http://indiafamily.bl.uk/UI/FullDisplay.aspx?RecordId=014-000389239

Name: (unrecorded) Keen
Event type: Birth
Date: 14 - Sep
>> Year: 1835
Location:
Parents:
Notes:
>> At Moorshedabad, the lady of A. Keen, Esq., M.D., of a daughter.
Transcribed by: FIBIS
India Office Records
Reference:
Source name: East India Register
Source year: 1836
Source edition: 2
>> Presidency: Bengal

A medical doctor named Keen who had a daughter in 1835 in Bengal.

Here is the website Ann was quoting:

http://members.dca.net/fbl/

(googled)

Re the info at FIBIS (passenger entries): I would suggest going to that website and consulting the info there, and contacting the society perhaps!

Another question - does anyone know what has happened to the Cathy Day?? website - she had a number of resources for lookups in India - remnants of her website still appear in google searches but the site no longer exists at it's original address - ozemail something or other.

In the Crimean War (1854-56), the 13th Light Dragoons were in the forefront of the famous Charge of the Light Brigade, immortalized by Tennyson's poem of that name ("Into the valley of death rode the six hundred").
The regiments adopted the title hussars at this time, and the uniform became very stylish, aping the hussars of the Austro-Hungarian army. But soon the blues and yellows and golds gave way to khaki as the British army found itself in skirmishes throughout the far-flung Empire, in India and South Africa especially

Ann ... can you maybe give the URL for the site you have quoted, lol?

A lot of people post things copied and pasted from websites without giving the address where they can be found! A whole lot easier just to do that, actually.

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You're welcome, Richard.


Kevin Asplin's new site.

http://www.britishmedals.us/kevin/intro.html

Nominal Roll for the Indian Mutiny Medal

http://www.britishmedals.us/kevin/mutiny.html

Not there.

Two Barons in

1870's Discharges

http://www.britishmedals.us/kevin/1870discharges.html

Not him.

You might want to look around there more.

Kevin Asplin is also available for more info and research. I have never retained him, but I have corresponded with him and found him as lovely as others have.

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If he was an Officer, you don't need to know his regiment.

Thank you for the ship's passenger lists - unfortunately, without initials, they are slightly less reliable, but nonetheless still possibilities!

Do you know where the originals might be kept - I'd like to see if any of these ships contained army personnel.

I've been to the British Library in London and searched their records without success.

I'd imagine he started in the British Army and his regiment was sent to India but this is pure guesswork. I have no way of knowing which regiment to look for. Does anyone know of an index of regiments sent to India c1857.

Also, does anyone know if the LDS data is fully available on familysearch or whether there is some additional info only available on their films?

There's another with about as much detail in

Arrival and Departure Notices : Madras Almanac

Year 1857
Name of Ship Bengal
Passenger Surname Baron (Mr.)


Your people do seem to be in Bengal rather than Madras.

There is an entry in

Arrival and Departure Notices : Bengal

at FIBIS that could be of interest:

Month and Day Jan-27
Year 1856
Name of Ship Sea Horse
Title or Rank Mr.
Passenger Surname Baron

There are a few more details there about the vessel/voyage but not the passenger.

http://www.fibis.org

has son Thos. Hy. jr's marriage

Presidency of Marriage BENGAL
Marriage Year 1890
Husband First Names Thos. Hy.
Husband Surname Baron
Wife First Names Lucretia Theresa
Wife Surname Pratt

but not the parents'.

Possibly a sister? --

Presidency of Marriage BENGAL
Marriage Year 1866
Husband First Names Daniel B.
Husband Surname Sheil
Wife First Names Harriett I.
Wife Surname Baron

and maybe an ancestor:

Presidency of Marriage BENGAL
Marriage Year 1787
Husband First Names Benjamin
Husband Surname Baron
Wife First Names Margaret
Wife Surname De Grance


(Edit - no, oops, I see he went out as an adult)

Have checked GRO Index Army Marriage India but they do not start until 1881.