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This is interesting!
After the birth of Ethel, the family moved to Stoke.
Here are another two births that fit this couple:-

Births Dec 1922 (99%)
Camm Joseph R (Forrest) Stoke T. 6b 159
Births Jun 1927 (97%)
Camm Eric (Forrest) Stoke T. 6b 186

there could of course be more after this date that have not been transcribed yet.

This is the only Soloman Camm I could find anywhere in England in the 1901 census:-

Name: Soloman Camm
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry T
Mother's Name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Kidsgrove, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Chell
Ecclesiastical parish: Newchapel
Town: Brindley Ford
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:
Occupation: Horse Driver in Coal Pit

Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub registration district: Tunstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 106
Household Members:
Name Age
Amy Camm 18 born: Brindley Ford, Staffordshire
Arthur Camm 21 born: Brindley Ford, Staffordshire
Caroline Camm 46 born: Tunstall, Staffordshire
Edgar Camm 12 born: Oxford Chell, Staffordshire
Hardie Camm 8 born: Brindley Ford, Staffordshire
Henry T Camm 48 born: Congleton, Cheshire (prob.Henry S.)
(occupation: Iron Moulder)
James H Camm 27 born: Brindley Ford, Staffordshire
Martha Camm 16 born: Newmills, Staffordshire
Robert Camm 6 born: Brindley Ford, Staffordshire
Soloman Camm 14

If he married in 1907 that would make his age 20yrs.

You need of course Ethel's birth cert. to confirm all of this, but it does seem to fit together nicely.

Forgot to look for Ronald Camm your Nanas brother, but here he is, obviously didn't go far enough:-

Births Mar 1931 (96%)
Camm Ronald (Forrest) Stoke T. 6b 162

which seem to confirm the Forrest link.

This would seem to be the marriage for Henry to Caroline:-

Marriages Dec 1873 (>99%)
<<<<BUCKLEY Caroline Wolstanton 6b 223
BUCKLEY Thomas Wolstanton 6b 223
<<<<CAMM Henry Sutcliffe Wolstanton 6b 223
Hargreaves Hannah Wolstanton 6b 223

The death certificate for your Grandad won't give his parents names the only cert. that will give that info is his birth cert.
His marriage cert., however will give his fathers name and profession, which is a good start.

Yeh I have just found them too!

My dad has no recollection of them at all however his memory of names is shocking!

Thanks for all your help. It's been great! I'm a little bit confused that my mum told me that my nana was one of 13 however, I can only find 8 siblings from her mother!

Nicola

It would seem that her parents married in 1907, so there are probably more births between this date and 1912, when the maiden name search is possible.

I have to sign off now, but will look in again tomorrow!
Regards
Catherine

I found my nanas brother Solomon - he was born on Dec ??, 1912. I think the information you gave above about the 14 yr old born in 1887 was another one.

I'm looking for as many siblings as I can now for my nana on the Camm side. Having her mothers maiden name of Forrest is really helping!

My grandad and the Turner side of the family will prob only come about when I get his certificates I presume! Bit lost without any maiden names!

Nicola

All of the following are births for Camm, between 1907 and 1911 in Wolstanton, so possible siblings:-

Births Mar 1907 (>99%)
CAMM Dennis Wolstanton 6b 106
99%)
CAMM Henry Sutcliffe Wolstanton 6b 112
Births Mar 1909 (>99%)
CAMM Irene Wolstanton 6b 123
CAMM Reginald George Wolstanton 6b 112
Births Sep 1910 (94%)
CAMM Beatrice A Wolstanton 6b 106
Births Jun 1911 (>99%)
Camm Doris Wolstanton 6b 112

The 1907 record for Henry Sutcliffe seems more than likely and would more or less confirm the 1901 census and marriage info., but you still need to buy those certs. to be sure.

Nicola,
The Soloman born in 1912 is in deed your Nana's brother, but the other
Soloman born in 1887 is possibly your Nana's FATHER, (see marriage above).

I'll look in tomorrow!

Hello,

Made such a remarkable lot of discoveries if it turns out they all are all true, which I feel they are due to how close the dates are and how many similar findings I'm finding!!!

Solomon born in 1912 is my nanas brother and Solomon born in 1887 is her father. Henry and Caroline, who you found earlier are my nana's grandparents and their children are my nana's aunts and uncles I believe.

However, I'm struggling to fit their dates and places of birth together at the moment. This may be due to the fact that I'm tired so may well have to come back to it tomorrow.

Can't believe how much progress I have made though and want to thank you so much for your continued help and interest!

Speak soon, Nicola

Just got back online and see a lot has been found on the Camm family.

If you want to be sure of Alfred's parents you do need the marriage cert.

As I said in an earlier post we need a rough idea of when they married as there is no easy way of searching after about 1925 .

The birth year of your father's eldest sibling would be useful.

Christine

Hi Christine,

My grandparents roughly got married in 1946 as my nana was pregnant at the time with my auntie who is due to turn 62 next year.

It's there abouts anyway!

Here it is

Q3 1946

Ethel Camm/ Turner
Crewe 10a 569

You can order the cert online at

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

You have to register first.

When ordering tick the box for vol and page no known and use the ref no I have quoted and the district, Crewe.

Only use the above site, they cost £7 from them, some other sites charge a lot more.

Will look in agian tomorrow, off to bed now.

Christine

Well done Christine, I was going to have a look for that today, so you've saved me a job.
Not a lot can be done on the Turner side until you get the cert. which will also confirm, or not, the info on the Camm side.
In the meantime I'll look for the other census records for the Camm family, which you can hold on file until you have confirmation.

Have checked the original record and name is Camm:-
1891
Name: Solomon Cannon
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry Sutcliffe
Mother's Name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Kidsgrove, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolstanton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Oxford
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub registration district: Tunstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Sutcliffe Cannon 39 - born: Congleton, Staffordshire
(occupation: Moulder - earth)
Caroline Cannon 37 - born: Tunstall, Staffordshire
James Heny Cannon 17 - born: Blackbull, Staffordshire
Alexander Cannon 13 - born: Blackbull, Staffordshire
Arthur Cannon 11 - born: Blackbull, Staffordshire
Mary Annie Cannon 8 - born: Blackbull, Staffordshire
Solomon Cannon 4
Martha Cannon 6 - born: New Mills, Derbyshire
Edgar Cannon 1 - born: Oxford, Staffordshire

1881:-
Name: Henry Carman
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Congleton, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Biddulph
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address: Cinderhill Terrace Childerplay
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Moulder In Iron Foundry

Registration district: Congleton
Sub registration district: Congleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Carman 28
Caroline Carman 27 - born: Tunstall
James Hy. Carman 7 - born: Brindley Ford
Alexander Carman 3 - born: Brindley Ford
Arthur Carman 1 - born: Brindley Ford

Henry Sutcliffe Cammin 1871:-

ame: Henry Sutchiffe Cann
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Gender: Male
Where born: Congleton, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Wedgewood
Ecclesiastical parish: Newchapel
Town: Brindley Ford
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: Brindley Ford

Occupation: Iron Worker

Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub registration district: Tunstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 116
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Cann 40 - born: Wheatley, Yorkshire
(occupation: Blacksmith) - Widow
Henry Sutchiffe Cann 18
Robert William Cann 17 - born: Congleton, Cheshire
Emily Cann 14 - born: Congleton, Cheshire
Dean Sutchiffe Cann 9 - born: Congleton, Cheshire

Henry in 1861:-
Name: Henry Lutleff Camm
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Congleton, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Congleton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Congleton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address: Duke Street

Registration district: Congleton
Sub registration district: Congleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 128
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Camm 30 - born: Weathbery, Yorkshire
(occupation: Clogger)
Elizabeth Camm 29 - born: Congleton, Cheshire
(occupation: Horse Keeper)
Henry Lutleff Camm 8
Robert Wm Camm 7 - born: Congleton, Cheshire
Emily Camm 4 - born: Congleton, Cheshire
John Sampy 15 - Apprentice

Robert Camm in 1851:-

Name: Robert Camm
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Son
Father's Name: David
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Halifax, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Congleton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address: Astbury Street

Occupation: Spinner

Registration district: Congleton
Sub registration district: Church Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel: 6k
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
David Camm 49 - born: Halifax, Yorkshire
(occupation: Clogger)
Mary Camm 43 - born: Halifax, Yorkshire
Robert Camm 21
Susey Camm 23 - born: Halifax, Yorkshire
Thomas Camm 17 - born: Halifax, Yorkshire