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I'm seeking help in finding info about my great great grandfather John Taylor and his parents. He was born 1869 in Newcastle and married a Sarah Johnson. They then had my great grandmother Eleanor b1899 as well as Elizabeth, Martha, Johanna, Mary and Emily.

I am having trouble gettin any further back than John but there is a possibility his father was also John Taylor and possibly born in Scotland?

I'm so stuck on this one! Can anyone help or does anyone have any connections? I'm goin up North soon so i want to tie as many loose ends before i visit the records office.
Thanks, Jenny

This looks like them but says they were all born South Shields, Durham.
1901 census
9 Forrest Hill, South Shields, Durham
John Taylor, head, 32
Sarah, wife, 32
Elizabeth, dau, 13
Mary A., dau, 11
Johanna, dau, 9
Martha, dau, 7
Emily, dau, 4
Eleanor, dau, 3

The marriage cert would give his father's name and occupation - which would help in tracking them down in the censuses.

It should be on FreeBMD.

Jill

Same family:
1891 census
28 Albion St., South Shields, Durham
John Taylor, head, 22
Sarah, wife, 22
Elizabeth, dau, 3
Mary Ann, dau, 1
All born South Shields.

The John Taylor/Sarah Elizabeth Johnson marriage wasn't until 1890. Do you have the birth certificate of any of the children giving mother's maiden name?

Thanks guys, will order marriage cert. I have Eleanor's birth cert and mothers maiden name was definitely Johnson. Does this mean then that the children were born before John and Sarah were married?

I had a look at FreeBMD to see if those 2 older children were Taylors or Johnsons. There are too many Elizabeths to tell but the only Mary Ann that fits is a Johnson.

Ah so they were both out of wed lock then! Ive just ordered the marriage certificate. What do you think are the chances of being able to find out about John's father before I get the marriage cert or is that just pointless? Think this might be where I'm going wrong! Just guessing from census records!

I can't pinpoint either John or Sarah on the 1881 census to get fathers' names. Both Taylor and Johnson are such common names.

Yeah I Know I tried without much luck. Will have to wait for marriage cert to come through. Thank you for all of your help!
Jenny x

Hi Jenny,

What makes you think there maybe a Scottish connection??

I came across this, however until you have a marriage cert, everything is guess work!!!

1881 England Census
about John Taylor
Name: John Taylor
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Gender: Male
Where born: South Shields, Durham, England

Civil Parish: South Shields
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address: 69 Wapping St
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: South Shields
Sub registration district: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Taylor 39 Born Inneskilling, Ireland, Occupation shoemaker
Martha Nichol 18 Step daughter
John Taylor 12
Margaret Taylor 10
Robert Taylor 7
Hugh Taylor 5
James Taylor 4


Dee x

Hi Dee, not sure where I got the ?Scottish bit from, think my nan mentioned something. The names of the children on this census report ring a bell, think i've got them noted down somewhere. If John has a step-daughter, does it say wheter he is married at this time?

Hi Jenny,

John Taylor Snr is a widow on the 1881 census.

This maybe his marriage;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1868
Nichol Elizabeth Gateshead 10a 847
TAYLOR John Gateshead 10a 847


Dee x

Ah right ok that makes sense. Thanks! So where does the stepdaughter come into it? ?I'm being slow.....whose child is she? It does tie in tho as the name is carried on as John jnr has a child called Martha. Do you ever look at these things and it takes you ages for the penny to drop?!Sorry for being difficult!!think my brain is frazzled!haha!

Martha must be Elizabeths daughter, not sure when Elizabeth died though.

I can't find the family in 1871 though, but 1 thing to remember is that men aren't very good with birth dates (still aren't even to today, well mine isn't !!! LOL!!), so this may be the reason why I'm struggling to find them.

Dee xx

Yeah i know what u mean! thanks for all that, will see what the marriage certs show when i get them! Thanks again,
Jenny
xx

Right, I got the marriage cert for John and Sarah through today and even with the extra info cant find anything! Cert shows: Marriage on March 18th 1890, South Westoe, Durham. John is 20 and Sarah 21. Johns profession is recorded as Fireman. Both living at Derby Terrace. John's father is John Taylor (deceased) and a Shoemaker. Sarah's father is Thomas Johnson (deceased) and a Shipwright. The only thing I can find which ties in is the 1881 status which Dee found showing John Snr from Ireland and his profession as shoemaker. But from there I'm totally stuck!!! any ideas would be much appreciated as I'm about to find the nearest wall to bang my head against!! Thank you,
Jenny
xx

Hi Jenny,

This 1 looks good;

1871 England Census
about Sarah Elizabeth Johnson
Name: Sarah Elizabeth Johnson
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: South Shields, Durham, England
Civil Parish: South Shields
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: South Shields
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: South Shields
Sub registration district: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Johnson 35 occupation Ship wright
Elizabeth Johnson 34
Eleanor Johnson 12
John Thomas Johnson 10
Joseph Johnson 7
Mary Ann Johnson 5
Sarah Elizabeth Johnson 3
Thomas Johnson 7 months

Maybe young Eleanor was named after her sister??


Dee xx

Same family, and check out the address and then look at the address on the 1881 census for John Taylor which I put up on page 1;

1881 England Census
about Sarah Johnson
Name: Sarah Johnson
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Elisabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: South Shields, Durham, England

Civil Parish: South Shields
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address: 49 Wapping St
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: South Shields
Sub registration district: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elisabeth Johnson 44 (widow!)
Joseph Johnson 18
Mary A. Johnson 15
Sarah Johnson 13
Thomas Johnson 11
Dorothy Johnson 8
George Johnson 6
William Johnson 4
George W. Henderson (Grandson)


Dee xx

Hi Jenny,

Margaret Manson found the 1891 census for John Taylor and they were living at 28 Albion Street, well look who's living at 14 Albion Street;

1891 England Census
about Hugh Taylor
Name: Hugh Taylor
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Brother-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: South Shields, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Westoe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephens
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: South Shields
Sub registration district: Westoe
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Patterson 28
Martha A Patterson 28 (Martha Nichol from 1881 census)
Elizabeth Patterson 9
Hugh Patterson 6
Martha A Patterson 4
Amy Patterson 2
Mary A Patterson 3/12
Hugh Taylor 15 <<<<< Johns little brother

Too much of a coincidence for the 1881 census for John Taylor snr for it not to be the correct family, I just can't find them on the 1871 census.

Dee xx