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Back to the drawing board guys!!!
The story so far:
Robert Jones Whitworth b1815 ish
Father John Jones Whitworth,unknown mother!!
Robert married Ann Parker
1842 in Middleton,Lancashire.
At this time he was working as a school master.
His father John was a "Tinner"
Ann's father was a watchmaker
The details on the cert are few!!
No address just Middleton,no ages,just "of full age"
A year after their marriage, in 1843 they had a son
William (Jones) Whitworth (born at Duncan St Ashton-u-Lyne)
At this time Robert was still working as a school master
But in 1871 on the marriage of his son William he was working as a cashier.
Well i think thats about it ,just to say a HUGE thanks to all you FAB people who give up their time to help me on this long & suprisingly emotional Journey,kind regards Lisaxxxx

I would suggest you send off for the marriage certificate to confirm his fathers name.


Victor

The marriage on BVRI:

WHITWORTH, William Marriage
Wife: Mary Jane JONES
Marriage Date: 20 Aug 1866 Recorded in: Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Collection: St Michael
Husband's Father: Joseph WHITWORTH
Wife's Father: Thomas JONES
Source: FHL Film 1550976 Dates: 1859 - 1867

There are these children on BVRI born to William & Mary Jane in Ashton under Lyne but they don't match the children that you have.

WHITWORTH, Caroline Bir 1867 Engl Lanc AshunL
Fa: William WHITWORTH
Mo: Mary Jane
WHITWORTH, George Henry Bir 1868 Engl Lanc AshunL
Fa: William WHITWORTH
Mo: Mary Jane
WHITWORTH, James Bir 1870 Engl Lanc AshunL
Fa: William WHITWORTH
Mo: Mary Jane
WITWORTH, Mary Bir 1872 Engl Lanc AshunL
Fa: William WITWORTH
Mo: Mary Jane
WHITWORTH, Caroline Bir 1874 Engl Lanc AshunL
Fa: William WHITWORTH
Mo: Mary Jane
WHITWORTH, Thomas Bir 1876 Engl Lanc AshunL
Fa: William WHITWORTH
Mo: Mary Jane
WHITWORTH, Herbert Bir 1878 Engl Lanc AshunL
Fa: William WHITWORTH
Mo: Mary Jane
WHITWORTH, Ellen Bir 1881 Engl Lanc AshunL
Fa: William WHITWORTH
Mo: Mary Jane
WHITWORTH, Joseph William Bir 1883 Engl Lanc AshunL
Fa: William WHITWORTH
Mo: Mary Jane

I agree, Julie, I'm sure we've got 2 different families here.

I think the marriage for William J and Mary J with visitor Alice Garstang will be

William Jones Whitworth/Mary Jane Garstang
1871 Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Blackburn
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 617

Andy

Hi Lisa,
Sorry for the delay in answering your question, I had to go out and do a little shopping and we're in the midst of a major snowstorm here, driving is treacherous. Boy, I'm glad to be home again!
BVRI is British Vital Records Index, a set of 16 cd's that I purchased many years ago from LDS. I understand they're no longer for sale but the records are now on Worldwide Ancestry, which is a bit too expensive for me. The records are extracted from parish records and contain 10.4 million births and 1.9 million marriages in England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales between 1530-1906.

So, if William Jones Whitworth married Mary Garstang in 1871, he can't be the son of William Whitworth and Mary Jones because they didn't marry until 1866.
This is getting confusing!

You say you are v sure William married mary jones. If you do not have any children's birth cert where did you find her name? I just find it strange that there is a marriage to Mary Garstang and he has a visitor named garstang in 1881. If HIS name was William Jones Whitworth (and it is William J on the census) it is probable that all the children would have the name Jones Whitworth. Plus no children born between 1866 & 1871.

The Garstang family:
1871 census
46 Darwen St., Blackburn, Lancashire
Henry Garstang, head, 49, green grocer
Mary, wife, 50
*Mary J., dau, 23, assistant
Ann, dau, 18, cotton winder
William H., son, 16, cotton creeler
George E., son, 15, cabinet maker
John Thos., son, 10
*Alice M., dau, 7
Walter J., son, 4
Father & children born Blackburn, mother born Bridgenorth, Shropshire.

Sorry for the delay, Peter, I' m 5 hours behind you.
There is no Whitworth/Garstang marriage on BVRI.
Susan, I had explained further up this page what BVRI is.

This is "Sue's family" in 1871 but it can't be William Whitworth and Mary Garstang because they weren't married yet. I had previously posted Mary, still single, in 1871 with her family.
1871 census
4 Han(something?) Court, Dunkinfield, Cheshire
William Whitworth, head, 26, collier, born Lancs, Ashton in Lyne
Mary, wife, 23, frame tenter cotton mill
George H., son, 2
James, son, 6 months
Wife & children born Dunkinfield.

In 1871 William Jones Whitworth born 1846, Ashton is a visitor in the home of Levi & Sabina Cowburn in Blackburn, Lancs. His occupation is canvasser.

COWBURN, Levi Age: 25 Marriage
Wife: Sabina WARING Age: 26
Marriage Date: 3 May 1868 Recorded in: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Collection: St Paul
Husband's Father: James COWBURN
Wife's Father: David WARING
Source: FHL Film 1470928 Dates: 1854 - 1900

so we now know that this is the right family in 1881

William J. WHITWORTH M Male 37 Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire, England Sewing Machine Agent
Mary J.J. WHITWORTH M Female 32 Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Beatrice A.J. WHITWORTH Female 7 Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire, England Scholar
Reginald J. WHITWORTH Male 5 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Scholar
Clara M. J. WHITWORTH Female 4 Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Arthur J. WHITWORTH Male 1 Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Alice Maud GARSTANG U Female 17 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Instructress Sewing Machines

Source Information:
Dwelling 92 Wash Lane
Census Place Bury, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341923
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3864 / 10
Page Number 13

possible parents for William?

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1842
WHITWORTH Robert Jones
PARKER Ann
Middleton, St Leonard

there may be a lot of William Whitworth but probably not too many William Jones Whitworths. I can't fins a bith reg but as it was not compulsory he may have not been registered.
Have you tried the other census records for William J with all children xxxxxxx J(ones) Whitworth?
Do you want a look up to see if a baptism can be found in Ashto-u-Lyne or Middleton?

Hi too all you FAB people who gave up your time to help me out with this thread.
i now have the marriage cert of William & Mary jane!!!!! Unfortunately i thought that this would lead me on to the next stage of my journey,but alas NO,so yet again i ask for your invaluable help.

William Jones Whitworth,aged 28yrs
occupation unreadable!!
living at: 11 Hodgson street Ashton undr Lyne
Father:Robert Whitworth,Cashier

Earlier in this thread is a possible marriage for Robert,but as of yet i have not been able to find any census records to verify this,we believe that Robert possibly married Ann Parker,but need to find both Robert & Ann,along with William Jones Whitworth on the same record,William,we now know was born in Ashton under Lyne in 1843,any help you could give me would be VERY gratefully recieved, kind regards Lisaxxxxx

Does this mean anything? It's from BVRI:

WHITWORTH, Robert Jones Marriage
Wife: Mary HOBSON
Marriage Date: 15 Dec 1858 Recorded in: Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Collection: St Michael
Husband previously married
Wife previously married
Husband's Father: Samuel WHITWORTH
Wife's Father: William GREENSMITH
Source: FHL Film 1550975 Dates: 1852 - 1859 Note: Additional Data in Original Record

Clutching at straws now! Could this possibly be Robert Jones Whitworth's parents?

WHITWORTH, Samuel Marriage
Wife: Mary JONES
Marriage Date: 15 Feb 1801 Recorded in: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Collection: St Chad
Source: FHL Film Dates: 1799 - 1830

Robert with his second wife Mary Hobson?
1861 census
252 Stamford St., Ashton under Lyne
Robert Whitworth, head, 43, shop keeper, born Ashton under Lyne
Mary, wife, 34, born Road Alley?, Yorks
William, son, 17, machanic?, born Ashton under Lyne
Thomas, son, 14, born "
Sarah, dau, 9, born "
George, son, 7, born Staleybridge. Lancs
Ann, dau, 1, born Ashton under Lyne