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Births Mar 1892 (>99%)
Bishop Constance May Hendon 3a 150

Births Sep 1893 (>99%)
Bishop Constance May W. Ham 4a 14

Marriages Dec 1893 (>99%)
>>>Bishop Levinia Lambeth 1d 817
Blakesley Alice Lambeth 1d 817 S
Conley John Lambeth 1d 817 S
>>>Warnham William Edward Lambeth 1d 817

Thanks Choccy,
I checked the 1911 census she was still living there only with the bridgman's still listed as neice,
Thanks for the idea.
john

Thanks everyone for all your idea's It gives me something else to look at.
John,

Maybe she was Annie Mason's neice? Have you tracked Annie's family back? Do you know who Annie's father was?

YES SELENA,
I HAVE THEIR MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE.HER FATHER IS THOMAS MASON.SHE IS 18 YEARS OLD
BOTH PARTNERS ARE LISTED AS LIVING 23 OSSULATION ST OR
23 ASSULATION ST.HER FATHER LISTED AS A PORTER.
JOHN

still looking.

Hello Johnny,

Who are the witnesses on Constance's marriage certificate? Could they be relatives?

Not what you asked for but thought if might add to the tree,

Are any of these her children?

Births Dec 1913 Cato Violet C Warnham St. Giles 1b 982
Births Jun 1915 Cato Walter S Warnham Pancras 1b 7
Births Dec 1916 Cato Gladys M Warnham Pancras 1b 78
Births Dec 1918 Cato Doris E Warnham Pancras 1b 54
Births Jun 1920 Cato George W Warnham Pancras 1b 117
Births Mar 1927 Cato Elsie M Warnham Lewisham 1d 1467
Births Sep 1930 Cato James F Warnham Lewisham 1d 1377

Also what was her age on marriage?

I'm just toying with the idea that she might be a daughter of Walter's sister, (Louisa, Eliza, Esther). Maybe they were unmarried

Births Jun 1893
BRIDGLAND Constance May Lambeth 1d 486

Births Jun 1897
Bridgman Constance May Islington 1b 230

Looking for a Warnham/Bridgeland marriage but no luck yet.

Re this marriage lancashireann posted:


Marriages Dec 1893 (>99%)
>>>Bishop Levinia Lambeth 1d 817
Blakesley Alice Lambeth 1d 817 S
Conley John Lambeth 1d 817 S
>>>Warnham William Edward Lambeth 1d 817


I was just browsing Warnhams in 1901 and saw William in Camberwell:

William Warnham 35
Alice Warnham 28
Alice Warnham 7
Ellen Warnham 5
Emma Warnham 2

So the marriage is actually

Marriages Dec 1893
Blakesley Alice Lambeth 1d 817 S
Warnham William Edward Lambeth 1d 817

;)


I was curious about these in St Saviour Southwark:

Hannah Brown 62 - mother of Caroline
Thomas Warnham 31 - general labourer, husband of Caroline
Caroline Warnham 24 - jam factory hand, daughter of Hannah
Charles Warnham 1
Thomas Warnham 3/12
George Barton 6 - grandson of Hannah

(My grandfather started working in the jam factory here in Ontario when he was 13. ;) )

Can't find a marriage for Caroline and Thomas, can't identify the Browns in 81 or 91. Wondered whether George Barton was a child of Caroline's from before Thomas Warnham, and whether she might have had another child either with him or who used his name ...

Another of those wild geese!

edit 13 Oct -- I looked back at the Brown-Warnham household in 1901, and someone has since corrected the surname to Wornham:

Marriages Jun 1899
Barlow Caroline Sarah St. Saviour 1d 176
Wornham Thomas St. Saviour 1d 176

(Barlow not Brown -- and grandson George Barton is actually Barlow on the image -- but whatever; no Constance birth to fit either)

Thank's for the information everyone.

No luck still.Any new ideas.
I'm not giving up.
John

Choccy's post at the bottom of page 1 about Jane "Kitcheny" still had me thinking.

The name is actually Kitching. This is likely the marriage

Marriages Sep 1862
Kitching Charles Blake St James 1a 760
Rider Jane St James 1a 760

and the household in 1881 in St Andrews -- Holborn reg dist:

Charles Kitching 41
Jane Kitching 39
Annie Kitching 15
Henry Bidenew 21

A possibly interesting marriage:

Marriages Mar 1903
Gigg Frank Ernest W. Ham 4a 2
? Kitching Thomas W. Ham 4a 2
? Mason Annie Rebecca W. Ham 4a 2
Price Myra Ellen W. Ham 4a 2
Wasmuth George Robert W. Ham 4a 2

There's no Annie Rebecca Mason birth to go with that marriage.

But now ... Annie Mason who married Walter Bridgman wouldn't have had a sister named Annie. ;) But maybe a widowed sister in law?

This is making my head spin a bit, but ... there are two possible Annie Rebecca marriages to a Mason, 1887 and 1895. The 1895 one would make sense, if she had a child before that marriage.

Marriages Dec 1895
Gill Joseph Edward Poplar 1c 1105
? Lloyd Annie Rebecca Poplar 1c 1105
? Mason Thomas Poplar 1c 1105
Moles Louisa Poplar 1c 1105
Sheldrake Henrietta Poplar 1c 1105

Births Mar 1892
LLOYD Constance May Hitchin 3a 527

But CM Lloyd is with parents in Hitchin in 1901, so that kills that.


I think that went nowhere but I'm going to leave it here in case it inspires someone else. Choccy's general idea, of a possible connection between Jane Kitching and either the Bridgmans or Constance May, seemed worth considering.


Meanwhile, what Warnhams are there in the general vicinity in 1891 who could be a parent? ...

On that question, the ones that strike me are:

Mary Warnham abt 1873 Lewisham, Kent, England Servant Lewisham, London

Charlotte Warnham abt 1875 Woolwich, Kent, England Servant Lewisham, London

sisters?

In 1901:

Emily Wornham abt 1872 Lewisham, Kent, England Visitor St Paul, London

Mary Wornham abt 1873 Lewisham, London, England Servant Lewisham, London

That name does seem to be Wornham -- in 1891, Charlotte could be either, but Mary is pretty clearly Wornham.

Marriages Jun 1891
Wornham Mary Ann St. Saviour 1d 181

I can't find any further definite record of Charlotte or Emily. Unless

Deaths Sep 1937
Wornham Emily W 68 Camberwell 1d 522

1911
WORNHAM EMILY 1872 39 Bromley Kent

No birth record for any Charlotte.

Births Sep 1870
Wornham Emely Lewisham 1d 797
Births Sep 1872
Wornham Mary Lewisham 1d 867
Births Sep 1884
Wornham Henry Lewisham 1d 1139

Marriages Jun 1869
GILLETT Thomas *Woolwich* 1d 1010
Skudder Job Armstrong Lewisham 1d 1010
Smith Rosetta Lewisham 1d 1010
> WORNHAM Joseph Lewisham 1d 1010

Sigh, a spare groom *and* a missing bride. And I can't find them in 1881.

1871 in Lewisham:

Joseph Wornham 29
Mary Wornham 25
Emily Wornham 9 Months

So this is our missing bride:

PANTER Mary Ann Lewisham 1d x101x

So I've submitted a correction, but I haven't found a connection!

Lordy; 1881 in Woolwich:

Joseph W. Tillwornham 39
Mary Wornham Tillwornham 35
Emily Tillwornham 10
Mary Tillwornham 8
Joseph Tillwornham 6
Ellen Tillwornham 5

Interesting. He is shown as Joseph W ?ill Wornham.


This is all on the idea that since there are no Warnham suspects available, it's entirely possible that the surname was Wornham and aunt and uncle Bridgman didn't have the correct spelling.

There is no birth of an Ellen Warnham to go with this marriage ... oh, cripey, another mess-up at FreeBMD:

Marriages Mar 1916
Barham Lucy Holder Camberwell 1d 1648
Holder Harry J Barham Camberwell 1d 1648
Rothwell Albert F Hall Camberwell 1d 1648
> Warnham Ellen Abel Camberwell 1d 1648

Abel William G Warnham Camberwell 1d x2445x


And I just wondered whether this birth might be related; can't find her in 1901 (she married in 1919 in Lambeth):

Births Jun 1897
Warnham Charlotte Eleanor St. Saviour 1d 59


Anyhow.

The theory is that Constance May's mother was Wo/arnham, but she was registered in the father's name, and then went by her mother's name ... one of several possible theories ... and that this family has several eligible young women in it ...

Thanks JaneyCanuck.
For all the time and effort trying to help me.
John

I checked walter bridgman's will,no information.
John

Not given up yet still looking :-(

Still looking.

Hi John,

Is this your grandmothers death?

Name: Constance May Cato
Birth Date: 9 Nov 1894
Date of Registration: Jun 1982
Age at Death: 87
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 14
Page: 0524


If it is, was 9th Nov definitely the day she celebrated her birthday?

If that's not her death, do you know when she celebrated her birthday? I'm just trying to cut the possible reg quarters down.

Baptism
Name: Constance May Marham (incorretly transcibed should be Warnham)
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 10 Jun 1894
Mother's name: Marham
Parish or Poor Law Union: Clerkenwell St Philip
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers

birth date 9 Nov 1893
address 21 St Helens Place
note says illigitimate
NEITHER parents name listed.