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Wow look at this!! It is about a man and woman being arrested for having a gun. She was Hattie Grosert and she wanted to shoot a man called Grosert who didn't treat her right. He brought her over from England 11 years previously and had never married her. It's dated Fri Oct 31 1913.


http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9A06E1D9133FE633A25752C3A9669D946296D6CF


This is about the 'perm' that was invented by Grosert and Unger that MM had found.

http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F1/0277/001/00000211.txt


Liz

Hi Gemma, I'm back. I was trying to find Alexander John after 1910 and this keeps coming up. I have no idea if it is him but look at the WW1 Draft Registration, it is the same area. His parents were in New York City, in 1920 it was just his father.



1920 United States Federal Census
about John A Grosert
Name: John A Grosert
Home in 1920: Towanda Ward 3, Bradford, Pennsylvania
Age: 25 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Birthplace: Scotland
Relation to Head-of-house: Adopted
Father's Birth Place: Scotland
Mother's Birth Place: Scotland
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Male
Year of Immigration: 1904
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 907
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William F Dittrich 67
Florence N Dittrich 57
Hugh T Mc Cabe 34 son in law
Aline D Mc Cabe 36 daughter
John A Grosert 25 chauffeur,


Draft WW 1 - Bradford Co., PA
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Race = White/ Caucasian unless otherwise noted

Grosert Alexander John 12 Apr 1894 Scotland; Great Britain

This is the record on page 1 that mentions Miss Clement Desfench, or something like that.

Sorry, Gemma, I missed the death of Jeanette Grosert. I must admit I have to keep going back to re-read the whole thread. So she must have been calling herself Grosert even though he was married to Henrietta? Oh, I think you already said that!
Going to bed. Liz? It's only 6 pm.

Thank you for all your help Liz.

Gemma

Sorry must leave you now and get off to my bed. Will see if anything else turns up tomorrow.

Liz

Margaret ~ I cross posted with Liz, so my message wasnt as clear as it should have been.

I was refering to Liz's post where she lists the death of a Jeanette Grosert.
This death fits with being Jeanette Kelly, only it seems to have been registered under the name of Grosert, thus giving the inpression that they were married.
The couldn't have been though, as Thomas was stilled married to henrietta until after Jeanette died.

Where did you see that he married Jeanette, Gemma? He couldn't have because she was already dead when Henrietta sued for divorce. Nice to see the marriage of Thomas & Henrietta though. Can you find the death of Christina now, Liz?

So, at first glance it would seem he married Jeanette....only he couldnt have because he was still married to Henrietta!

There are three Henrietta Harris birth in oxfordshire, but none in 1882 (from passport.)

That seems an unlikely site for those records!

This is Edward and Paula so not the brother in 1920. He emigrated in 1923, father's Scottish, mother's English and he is a shipper in ? beauty industry. She is German. I bet you'll find he fits in somewhere, not sure where though.


1930 United States Federal Census
about Edward Grosert
Name: Edward Grosert
Home in 1930: Bronx, Bronx, New York
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head-of-house: Head
Spouse's name: Paula
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Grosert 30
Paula Grosert 29

Got these 2 deaths off http://www.italiangen.org/Default.htm


Surname Given Name Age Month Day Year Certificate
Number County Soundex
Grosert Henrietta 64 y Sep 23 1943 21106 Manhattan G626
Grosert Janette 32 y Feb 3 1926 3542 Manhattan G626


Marriages

Surname Given Name Month
of Marriage Day
of Marriage Year
of Marriage County Certificate
Number Soundex Link to Brides
Grosert Alexander J Dec 14'26 1927 Manhattan 971 G626
Grosert Edward Sep 30 1929 Bronx 7497 G626 married Koenig Paula Sep 30 1929 Bronx 7497 K520
Grosert Thomas Nov 18 1913 Manhattan 28081 G626 married Harris Henrietta Nov 18 1913 Manhattan 28081 H620

Have we got this one? She was a 39 year old housewife who had stayed at 109 Keith Lucas? Road, Cove, Farnborough, Hants.


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Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Name: Henrietta GROSERT
Date of departure: 30 November 1921
Port of departure: Southampton
Destination port: New York
Destination country: USA
Date of Birth: 1882 (calculated from age)
Age: 39
Marital Status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: Hwife
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 13 of 27
Ship: OLYMPIC
Official Number: 131346
Master's name: Sir Bertram Hayes
Steamship Line: White Star
Where bound: New York, USA
Square feet: 11656
Registered tonnage: 46439
Passengers on voyage: 738

Liz,
Yes, that fits with the age given on the newspaper report.
I checked the 1930 census, but couldnt find any of the tree children...of course since their mother had died by that time, they could be with another family member under their surname.

Gemma

Maybe him and Jeanette's son?



U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946
about Thomas Grosert Jr
Name: Thomas Grosert Jr
Birth Year: 1924
Race: White, citizen (White)
Nativity State or Country: New York
State of Residence: New York
County or City: Queens

Enlistment Date: 15 Feb 1943
Enlistment State: New York
Enlistment City: New York City
Branch: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA
Branch Code: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA
Grade: Private
Grade Code: Private
Term of Enlistment: Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law
Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men)
Source: Civil Life

Education: 3 years of high school
Marital Status: Single, without dependents
Height: 69
Weight: 136

That seems to be right Gemma. He is down as being married on the 1920 census but no sign of a wife.

Here's Christina in 1891.


1891 Scotland Census
about Christina Heggie
Name: Christina Heggie
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Cupar, Fifeshire
Registration Number: 420
Registration district: Cupar
Civil Parish: Cupar
Town: Cupar
County: Fife
Address: 65 Bonnygate
Occupation: Factory Worker
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 78
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1891_127
Household Members:
Name Age
John Heggie 56 blacksmith, b Cupar
Christina Heggie 17
Mary I Simpson 6 granddaughter

True....maybe "effort" would have been a better word than Work?

My head is spinning with all of this now.
Am i right in thinking that this is what we have;

-Thomas marries Christina Heggie 1893 Scotland.
-One Son Alexander John, born 1893.

-Family migrate to New York 1905/06.

-1910 US census, Thomas's wife is Hattie and they have been married 16 years. ~ Assuption here is that Hattie is Christina?

-1913 Thomas marries Marret Henrietta Grosert.
-No Children.

-1919 to 1926 Thomas is living with a Jeanette Kelly.
-Three children; Charlotte, Janet and Thomas.

-1926 Henrietta is divorcing Thomas. Jeanette Kelly has died.


We also have the 1920 census. The personal details here match with Thomas, but he didnt have a brother named Edward and he should be living with Jeanette Kelly?

Gemma

It's not work, Gemma, it's fun!

Sorry for the delay, i was doing some paper filing!

Give me a few minutes to read through this properly....from what im understanding at first glance, Christina died and Thomas remarried Henrietta, who travelled around a lot?

Oh and yes, do appriciate all the work you have put into this, thank you!

Gemma

It is getting interesting, isn't it, Liz? I can't leave it alone. Hope Gemma appreciates all the confusion we're causing her!
Just re-reading the thread, something I missed, that Alexander is buried in Arlington National Cemetery. Wow, he's in good company there. Isn't that where JFK is buried?

Wellington was probably Port of Dep for that leg of her trip?

This is really starting to bug me so I got the marriage cert of Thomas and Christina. He lived at Crossgate, Cupar and was a journeyman hairdresser and she lived at 63 Bonnygate, Cupar and was a power loom ?? weaver. They were both 18 and her parents were John Heggie, master blacksmith, and Mary MS Shaw. Their witnesses were Mary and Robert Mason so I would say there is no way that she is English!




1881 Scotland Census
about John Heggie
Name: John Heggie
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Cupar, Fifeshire
Registration Number: 420
Registration district: Cupar
Civil parish: Cupar
Town: Cupar
County: Fife
Address: 65 Bonny Gate
Occupation: Blacksmith
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 82
Line: 13
Roll: cssct1881_116
Household Members:
Name Age
John Heggie 48
Margaret Heggie 49 b England
Robert Heggie 25 b Glasgow, lemonade bottler
William Heggie 17 b Cupar, blacksmith
Annie R Heggie 15 b Cupar
Christinia Heggie 5




1891 Scotland Census
about Christina Heggie
Name: Christina Heggie
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Cupar, Fifeshire
Registration Number: 420
Registration district: Cupar
Civil parish: Cupar
Town: Cupar
County: Fife
Address: 65 Bonnygate
Occupation: Factory Worker
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 78
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1891_127
Household Members:
Name Age
John Heggie 56
Christina Heggie 17
Mary I Simpson 6 grandaughter




1861 Scotland Census
about Mary Ann Heggie
Name: Mary Ann Heggie
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : John
Gender: Female
Where born: St Helens, England
Registration Number: 420
Registration district: Cupar
Civil parish: Cupar
Town: Cupar
County: Fife
Address: Drybriggs
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 57
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1861_54
Household Members:
Name Age
John Heggie 28 blacksmith
Mary Ann Heggie 31
Margaret Heggie 8
Robert Heggie 6
Jessie Heggie 4
John Heggie 2



Must go put the dinner on but will be back.

Liz

Port of departure, Wellington, New Zealand is also very confusing!