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Hello jansmith
Thankyou very much for your time and the information you have got for me. I only have the info on Grace through her grandaughter whom i found on here by chance. I will see if i can get hold of her again and see if she has her birth cert or marriage details and then maybe i can go on from there.
I have just gone back on some of the info i haveand ahve charles and louisa with the searle family, I really need to sort this out
I am getting a bit muddled now.
Thankyou
Debbie

Births Jun 1902
PARSONS Samuel Gooding St. Thomas 5b 27


possible marriage but may be a long shot
Samuel G Parsons
Year of Registration: 1921
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's Surname: Hewlett
District: Axbridge
County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 1091



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Births Jun 1909 (>99%)
PARSONS Grace Edith B St Thomas 5b 37

1911 transcribed page
Address 15 CHURCH ST EXMOUTH County Devonshire
District St Thomas Subdistrict Exmouth
Enumeration District 3 Parish Littleham



PARSONS, GEORGE HEAD MARRIED (23 YRS MARRIED)M 48 LABOURER born EXMOUTH DEVON
PARSONS, SARAH WIFE MARRIED F 47 born VENATTERY DEVON
PARSONS, WALTER SON SINGLE M 19 BLACKSMITH born EXMOUTH DEVON
PARSONS, SAM SON M 9 SCHOOL
bornEXMOUTH DEVON
PARSONS, HONARY SON M 5 SCHOOL
born EXMOUTH DEVON ***not sure about transcription for this one haven't found birth index yet
PARSONS, GRACE DAUGHTER F 2
born EXMOUTH DEVON
Grace born earlier than you thought then?

HAVEN'T FOUND THEM IN 1891 YET OR A MARRIAGE(just reread your posts i see Sarah is really Elizabeth and you have a marriage for them?)

1911 searched William born Exmouth 1888+/- 3
MILITARY PARSONS WILLIAM 1888 23 District Weymouth Dorsetshire


cwgc site i wonder??? edit now found this entry on Ancestry and says he was born in South Africa so not yours
Name: PARSONS, WILLIAM
Initials: W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Devonshire Regiment
Unit Text: 1st Bn.
Date of Death: 04/10/1917
Service No: 11358
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 38 to 40.
Memorial: TYNE COT MEMORIAL

1901 Think this is the family MIStranscribed on Ancestry(if some else would like to check as well!)
Name: Walter Karems
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Exmouth, Devon, England
Civil parish: Littleham
Ecclesiastical parish: Littleham St Margaret
Town: Exmouth
County/Island: Devon
Country: England


Name: George Karems
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Exmouth, Devon, England
Civil parish: Littleham
Ecclesiastical parish: Littleham St Margaret
Town: Exmouth
County/Island: Devon
Country: England


Name: Sarah Karems
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Ottery St Mary, Devon, England
Civil parish: Littleham
Ecclesiastical parish: Littleham St Margaret
Town: Exmouth
County/Island: Devon



Name: William Karems
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Exmouth, Devon, England
Civil parish: Littleham
Ecclesiastical parish: Littleham St Margaret
Town: Exmouth
County/Island: Devon
Country: England



Name: Rose Karems
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Exmouth, Devon, England
Civil parish: Littleham
Ecclesiastical parish: Littleham St Margaret
Town: Exmouth
County/Island: Devon

And -- there still simply was NO Grace Parsons born in Devon 1910-1915. No matter what anyone knows is right.

And there was no Grace Parsons born after 1911 with mother Gooding.

You need Grace's marriage certificate to find out what her surname was, and what her father's name was. Or even what she claimed they were.

Deaths Dec 1896
Parsons Ellen Louisa 25 Newton A. 5b 70

Dawlish is in Newton Abbot reg dist.


I just totally doubt that the George Daverage Parsons who married Elizabeth Gooding in St Thomas dist in 1887 is yours.

I think Ellen Louisa Searle who married Charles Parsons was Rose's mother, and she died shortly after Rose was born.

This would quite likely be Rose, born in the same reg dist as the Parsons-Searle marriage:

Births Dec 1894
Parsons Rose St. Thomas 5b 39

and

Births Dec 1892
Parsons Florence Emily St. Thomas 5b 35

So how about getting a birth certificate????


That Rose would have been 6 at the time of the 1901 census, as in the Searle household in 1901:


Civil parish: East Dawlish
Registration district: Newton Abbot

Mary Searle 51
Florence Searle 31
Frank Searle 17
Florence Parsons 8 - granddaughter, born Exmouth
Rose Parsons 6 - "


that probably being where her mother died.

So you just started over cold with the same obviously incorrect info in a new thread on a new board.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1155535


In 1901 Rose Parsons is with a Searle grandmother.
It SAYS Rose is her granddaughter on the census.
This isn't speculation.


So this will pretty certainly be Rose's parents' marriage:

Marriages Dec 1891
Parsons Charles St. Thomas 5b 93
Searle Ellen Louisa St. Thomas 5b 93


You lit on the Parsons-Gooding marriage for some reason. Why?

And there you are in your other thread saying that Rose's mother was Sarah/Elizabeth (Gooding) -- is there actually some evidence of that?


Rose's grandmother was a Searle. There are a couple of Ellen Louisa Searle births in Devon that could fit. This is probably her in 1891:

Name: Ellen Louisa Searle
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Servant
Where born: Dawlish, Devon, England
Civil parish: Littleham


This is the household in 1881 in Dawlish:

> Mary A. Searle 32
Florence Searle 12
> Ellen Searle 10
Virgenia Searle 7
Elizabeth Bright 64


Don't you think?

janeyCanuck
Ifound and spoke to Graces Grandaughter and she has the same as me...maybe your right so hard is.nt it still it wont get boring just frustrating.
Thanks for your help i,ll just keep plodding on and hopefully might get some where.
Thanks again
Debbie

I think you may have been led astray. ;) And there may be skeletons! What fun would it be without them??

Births Jun 1864
PARSONS George Daverage St Thomas 5b 47

Marriages Sep 1862
Copp John St Thomas 5b 123
> Daverage Jane St Thomas 5b 123
Eveleigh Julia Ann St Thomas 5B 123
> Parsons Henry James St Thomas 5b 123


1861

Name: Jane Daveridge
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Where born: Exmouth, Devon, England


The 1901 Walter - who of course may be a big red herring - married:

Marriages Dec 1911
Coleman Annie E Leicester 7a 630
Daverage Walter B Leicester 7a 630
Gibson Clara Leicester 7a 630
Kirby William Leicester 7a 630


Births Mar 1887
DAVERAGE Walter Beat St. Thomas 5b 38

Births Sep 1879
Daverage William Thomas Portsea 2b 428


Possibly red herrings all -- but there just isn't a Walter Parsons, for instance, to match anywhere!

Hi janeyCanuck
I really am new to this, this is my father in laws family and i started researching it after he passed away.
I have George Parsons born 1858
Elizabeth Parsons born 1860
Rose Parsons born 1895
Florence Parsons born 1893
Walter Parsons born 1886
William Parsons born 1882
Grace Parsons born 1913.
Debbie

1901 - ?

Name: William Daverage
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Where born: Fareham, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Gillingham
County/Island: Kent
ED, institution, or vessel: Brompton Barracks

1901

Name: Walter Daverage
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Exmouth, Devon, England

Civil parish: Leicester Formerly Aylestone
County/Island: Leicestershire

William Daverage 45
Emma Daverage 43
Annie Daverage 19
Charles Daverage 16
Walter Daverage 14
Bertie Daverage 12
Edith Daverage 10
Beatrice Daverage 4


There's gotta be some connection here ...

There were three Grace Parsons-s born in 1913, in Dorchester, Cambridge and Walsingham districts. None had mother Gooding.

Debra, you do need to provide some references for all this. 'Cause it just doesn't make sense!

Marriages Dec 1887
ANDREWS Mary St Thomas 5b 128
Brooks William Henry St. Thomas 5b 128
> Gooding Elizabeth Sarah St.Thomas 5b 128
> Parsons George Daverage St Thomas 5b 128


Married after the births of Walter and William?

So one of the two wasn't a parent of the two boys?

Hmm. Grace born 1913 was a sister of William born 1882?

It's possible ... but that's a 31-year spread ... not really highly likely - ?

Can you give us some reference for Walter and William?

Hello janeycanuck
Grace Parsons was the other sister born 1913 and George married Elizabeth Gooding (sarah)
Debbie

Hello janeycanuck
Thats as far i got, i put it that Mary was maybe a grandparent but then i got confused thats why i wanted the 1911 to see if they were still all together then I thought Roses mum may have died early,
Debbie

Crossed in the post -- the girls are granddaughters of the Searles, Ancestry says.

The only George Parsons + Elizabeth Searle marriage

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

was in Whitechapel in 1869. That seems unlikely ...