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maureen, thankyou, i dont think i would have half of my family tree without you!

Yes,it seems that those were Alice's parents.

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Marriages Mar 1862
Ariss Ann Caroline Lambeth 1d 350
Theobald George Lambeth 1d 350

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ANN CAROLINE ARISS

Christening:
28 OCT 1835 Saint John The Evangelist, Lambeth, Surrey, England

Parents:
Father: DAVID ARISS
Family
Mother: LOUISA

Maureen

The witnesses on the certificates were Alice Theobald and Wilhelmina Bailey.
Silas Bailey was already deceased by this time.

From the 1891 census Walter and Alice lived at her home?

Also, I took a look on the 1881 census, is there anyway of knowing Ann Carolines' maiden name?

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Marriages Jun 1889
KING Alice Jane St. Saviour 1d 412
Theobald Walter Edward St. Saviour 1d 412

Births Dec 1864
THEOBALD Walter Edward Newington 1d 24
(I've put the 1901 on an earlier post on this thread.)
1891 Ancestry
Name: Walter Theobald
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Walworth, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Edmonton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Occupation:Bookbinder

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5

Household Members:
Name Age
John King 48
Elizabeth King 48
Charles King 28
Frederick J King 22
Willie H King 18
Maud E M King 14
Jessie L L King 7
Alice J King 26
Walter Theobald 26
Walter Theobald 4
William Theobald 1

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1081; Folio 134; Page 7;

If you check out the 1881 on Family Search-Walter is fairly easy to spot,since he's listed under his full name and is of course,a bookbinder.

Maureen

Who were the witness's on the cert?


Tracey x

Remind me what we are looking for on him?

Tracey x

Ahhhh! I see I see. Well everyone knew him as Jack as well, so I guess he just liked to swap names!

now I just have to find details on his father Walter Edward Theobald!

Hey Shona

Jack and John as names are often interchanged...

As is Harry and Henry....

It's just a shortened version of the name (even tho it's not indeed shorter!)

I have a lady called Rosetta in my tree and she used the name Ann!!

Hope this helps

Tracey x

Hi there, I don't know if anyone is still reading this thread. But I have the marriage cert of Roseina and John Horace, and it turns out that Alice and Walter were indeed his parents. So now all to do is to try and find out why he was down in the 1901 census as Jack and down as John Horace on the marriage cert.

I will do that once she has replied, thanks.

Also, that is what we said, that if the names had been more common then we would have had to send away for certs but I think we can be pretty sure that it is the same people.

Shona,

Ask the person if they have the certs and if they do would they mind emailing you a copy... you'll have them for your records then.

I'd say with the unusualness of the names your highly unlikely to get another couple matching them?


Tracey x

Hi guys, I recently had contact with a match (there was only one match) to Roseina Bailey on here and she has given me the names of Roseinas parents (Silas and Wilhelmina) on her tree and they are the same as the ones we have found. I have just asked to view her tree and if there are the same people on hers as there is mine, then I don't think it would be necessary to send off for certs? Or do you think that I should, anyway?

Thankyou for all of your help!

Just putting this here in case I lose it in the mounds of scribbles by my desk:
1871 Ancestry
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4218; Folio: 117; Page: 3
Fulwood Barracks
George J W Westfield 28
Mary Sarah Westfield 27
Mary Elizabeth Westfield 5
George John Miller Westfield 4
Minnie Wilhemina under 7 months
..............................
And do use the same thread when you let us know about the certs,Shona Rose!!!
Good luck!
Maureen

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Is the official site. They should cost you no more than £7, you will need to create an account first, it's free also. Once you are in and entering the details remember to click i have the gro ref number, and enter the marriage cert vol and page number (repeat for each cert you need). It's a very easy process!

The certs normally take 7 days to arrive in the UK.

Good Luck

Tracey x

Thanks, both of you, i will send off for certificates to confirm this.
Hopefully it will be them!

However, do you know where I can get them from?

I wholey agree with Maureen,

You need to order the marriage cert, you also now have sibling data and parent data to possibly guide you (witness etc)

Hopefully you can put all this together and confirm you've found her!


Tracey x

A brother for Minnie Wilhelmina,

WESTFIELD Frank Henry Broughton Preston MILLER BRO/15/57


Tracey x

Tracey, thankyou! Bless her, I don't know why she would want to change that name, Minnie's a lovely name! Maybe there was another reason!? Hmm.

At this point ,sending away for the marriage certificate of John and Rosina should really be your first priority,Shona Rose!
Nothing worse than tracking back generations into a family that isn't yours!!! (well there is,but...)

Maureen

Gotta love the Lancs BMD

WESTFIELD Minnie Wilhelmina Broughton Preston MILLER BRO/14/54

Mothers maiden name is Miller!


Tracey x