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John H Theobald married Rosina Mary Bailey July/Sept. quarter 1920 West Ham Ref. 4a 1139.

His birth? Jan/Mar 1900 Edmonton 3a 504

Judecar; thankyou for that! We were beginning to think that they never really got married! Also, it works out that she was pregnant when she got married as her daughter was born on the 6th of december 1920..so this could mean that they got married because of her pregnancy.

Also to everyone else, thankyou for your information! It's becoming very interesting. I have also been thinking about the placing of the Baileys and I think it could possibly be them as we don't actually have a birth certificate of Rosina, only her death certificate which says her place of birth being Hackey, could this be that her son who registered the death got the exact place of her birth wrong? Or am I clutching at straws?

I think this is John Horace in 1901,but the marriage cert will confirm his father's name:
Name: Jack Theobald
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Walter
Mother's Name: Alice
Gender: Male
Where born: Edmonton, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Edmonton
Ecclesiastical parish: Upper Edmonton St James
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:20 Angel Road
Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Theobald 36 Occ:Bookbinder born Walworth
Alice Theobald 36 born Suffolk
William Theobald 11 born Edmonton
Ethel Theobald 5 born Edmonton
Jack Theobald 1 born Edmonton

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1261; Folio: 7; Page: 4.

Maureen

Maybe??
1901 Ancestry
Name: Roseina Bailey
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Silas
Mother's Name: Wilhemina
Gender: Female
Where born: Hackney, London, England
Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas Homerton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South-East Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 211
Household Members:
Name Age
Silas Bailey 30 Occ:Plasterer born Hackney
Wilhemina Bailey 30 born Lancs Bootle
Florence W Bailey 7
Edith L Bailey 3
Roseina Bailey 1
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 229; Folio: 144; Page: 41.

Maureen

Maureen, this is fantastic as everyone knew John Theobald as jack, so this does make sense. Also, the name Wilhemina has always rang bells with my mum, so this also makes perfect sense to be them, which is brilliant! Thankyou very much. So, next step is obviously to look for Silas and Wilheminas parents?

I found Silas and family in 1911 and something didn't seem right about it..

I'll find the family again and post it.


Tracey x

Here's the 1911 census...

BAILEY, SILAS HEAD MARRIED M 42 LABOURER HACKNEY
BAILEY, WILLRELMMA WIFE MARRIED 18 F 41 LANCASHIRE PARISH BODLER
BAILEY, FLORENCE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 17 CONFECTIONARY PACKER HACKNEY
BAILEY, EDITH DAUGHTER SINGLE F 13 SCHOLAR HOMERTON
BAILEY, ROSE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 11 SCHOLAR HOMERTON
BAILEY, ELSIE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 7 SCHOLAR HOMERTON
BAILEY, WILLIAM SON SINGLE M 5 SCHOLAR HOMERTON
BAILEY ROSE (RG14PN1155 RG78PN38 RD11 SD5 ED16 SN43)
Address 5 BENN ST HOMERTON NE County London
District Hackney Subdistrict South East Hackney
Enumeration District 16 Parish St John at Hackney

While they are listed as living in Hackney, the children are listed as being born Homerton, which i believe is Cambridgeshire?

I think you may have to buy credits and see the original image to confirm the birth details.

Tracey x

Something not right? Interesting. Please do send again, that would be great!

Actually, looking at the address as benn St, Homerton NE...i wonder now then if Homerton is a sub area of Hackney, and i missed this last night....

It was late lol


Tracey x

The marriage...

Marriages Mar 1893
Bailey Silas St. Saviour 1d 89
Westfield Wilhelmina St. Saviour 1d 89

Tracey x

Hmm, that is a bit strange. Also, if this family is correct, which it seems to be, there's a william and an elsie here which we didn't even know about!
I just googled Homerton as the change in birth places seemed to be odd, and it says that it is in fact in the east London Borough of Hackney.

I think so,Tracey. On the 1901 you can see:
Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Homerton
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South-East Hackney

Maureen

I would also suggest going back to 1891 as there maybe some children between the 17 yr old and the 13 yr old that have gone into service.... there's def a gap in ages...

You might want to buy the image and see if there has been any child deaths.

Tracey x

oooooh Wilhelmina is a naughty girl... seems she's using a middle name!

Births Dec 1870
Westfield Minnie Wilhelmina Preston 8e 542

Bless her!!!


Tracey x

I definately will buy some credits to look at the original image as the age gap is quite big. Thankyou for all of your help though. If anything is found out then the information would be greatly appreciated.

Also, thankyou for the marriage details!

Gotta love the Lancs BMD

WESTFIELD Minnie Wilhelmina Broughton Preston MILLER BRO/14/54

Mothers maiden name is Miller!


Tracey x

At this point ,sending away for the marriage certificate of John and Rosina should really be your first priority,Shona Rose!
Nothing worse than tracking back generations into a family that isn't yours!!! (well there is,but...)

Maureen

Tracey, thankyou! Bless her, I don't know why she would want to change that name, Minnie's a lovely name! Maybe there was another reason!? Hmm.

A brother for Minnie Wilhelmina,

WESTFIELD Frank Henry Broughton Preston MILLER BRO/15/57


Tracey x

I wholey agree with Maureen,

You need to order the marriage cert, you also now have sibling data and parent data to possibly guide you (witness etc)

Hopefully you can put all this together and confirm you've found her!


Tracey x