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Hi Dea
I have Arthurs death in cemetery records in 1905 and didn t think he left the village, but you have found another piece of my puzzle.
You are right about Joseph.

Thank you

This is what I have been looking at Bernie,

I do think that Hamle A is in fact Arthur - this is the one who is a Policeman on 1901.

I think he is a cousin of your Sarah Ann - He was registered on the same birth reference no. as her, which is why I thought they may be twins.

However, his father was Joseph, who I believe was the brother of your Sarah's father Thomas.

They were obviously both born within weeks of each other and perhaps the two mothers (sisters in law) went along together to register the births?

Dea x

Hi Dea

Yes I have seen that Hamle is male but like I posted earlier Im clutching at straws.
Birth Cert reads.
4/9/1871 Eaton Bray Beds
Sarah Ann Girl
Father Thomas Henley Farm Labourer
Mother Mary Henley formerly Janes
The mark of Mary Henley mother Eaton Bray
Reg 5/10/1871 William Brown registrar



She was not a twin but another sister reg Ann was born in 1870 but died 3 days later
Births reg Leighton Buzzard

The only other Henley born in Eaton Bray around this time is Arthur but I cant find him either in 1891 so maybe its him.

Hi Bernie,

Not getting anywhere with the occupation at the moment but am I right in thinking that you believe this 'Hamle' is your Ann ???

If so, could I point out that Hamle A is in fact MALE.

A 'may' just have found him on 1901 where he is a Police Constable but that is not yet certain as he has a different name (I will work on it).

Could I just ask - on Sarah Ann's birth cert, is there any indication that she might be a twin? - Could you give the details you have from there please? Is there a time of birth mentioned?

Dea x

Thank you .
I will have a look

I might read it as Provendent.

About the only thing I can think of is something like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_and_Provident_Society

-- she might have been employed by a provident society?

If you search the 1881 census by occupation alone, for Provident, it gives 23 people with several occupations along that line.

Hi

Got lots of help the other day, Thanks for that.
Asked for occupation of Hamle (Ann) and got PROYENDENT.
Googled it and looked in dictionary,asked around, but nobody knows what a Proyendent was.

Can anyone help please

Thank you

GOLDS, Charles E Head Married M 48 1843 Carman
Bermondsey
London VIEW
GOLDS, Eliza Wife Married F 48 1843
Thirfield
Hertfordshire VIEW
GOLDS, Eliza J Daughter Single F 24 1867 Domestic Servant
Southwark
London VIEW
GOLDS, Albert Son Single M 21 1870 Porter
Southwark
London VIEW
GOLDS, George Son Single M 20 1871 Porter
Walworth
London VIEW
GOLDS, May R Daughter Single F 18 1873 Domestic Servant
Camden Town
London VIEW
GOLDS, Edith Daughter Single F 16 1875 Domestic Servant
Camden Town
London VIEW
GOLDS, Frederick Son Single M 14 1877 Telegraph Messenger
Thirfield
Hertfordshire VIEW
GOLDS, Ruth Daughter Single F 13 1878 Scholar
Camden Town
London VIEW
WEBB, Alfred Boarder Single M 19 1872 Fireman Railway
Newmarket
Cambridgeshire VIEW
HENLEY, Hamle A Boarder Single M 19 1872 Proyendent
Eaton Bray
Bedfordshire VIEW
FENN, Alfred Boarder Single M 18 1873 Capstan
Leighton
Bedfordshire VIEW
TINNEY, Frederick Boarder Single M 22 1869 Horse Keeper Groom
Wing
Buckinghamshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
133 Folio:
107 Page:
16

Registration District:
Pancras Sub District:
Kentish Town EnumerationDistrict:
15 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Martins

Civil Parish:
St Pancras Municipal Borough:
Address:
72, Prince Of Wales Road, St Pancras County:
London

name possibly Hannah on image

Can anyone please check the original entry for a Hamle Henley born Eaton Bray Beds 1872. Only time Ive seen the name. Could it be Ann.

Can you see occupation please

Sorry, I'd wandered off. ;)

I sure didn't do much for you, but I kept the thread going!

See ya next time!

Thank you for all your help today

maybe

1881 England Census
Name: G. Henley
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Eaton Bray, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Mickleham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address: Norby Pk Farm
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Gardner

Registration district: Dorking
Sub-registration district: Dorking
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Channel 60
M. Channel 58
G. Henley 24
F. Hole 18

George Henley born eaton bray beds 1858 not registered at Leighton Buzzard.
1861 Eaton Bray
1871 Ashted Surrey
There is a death reg at epsom in 1885 which fits but not checked
out yet.
1881??????



Wonderful ,Age checks out

thanks

G'head!

Better than a new thread. ;)

Sorry .
She died as Ann

Thanks for your help


Am I pushing it for another search on Henley in 1881

alviegal - that (pre-existing Sarah Ann) and the ages of the parents were reasons to wonder whether Ann was a child of a daughter and maybe not registered as Henley.

But the birth cert names those parents. Although, it wasn't unknown for parents to register the child of a child as their own.

Possibly the first Sarah Ann died? It also wasn't unheard of to name a second child after a first deceased child.


edit

Deaths Dec 1863
Henley Sarah Ann Leighton B. 3b 277

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Urgh, Bernie! It's the *name* I've been looking for in all cases and that you keep not giving!

Born as Sarah Ann.

In censuses as both Ann and Annie.

Died as Ann.

It really helps to know what names a person has / went by, when searching for them!


In any event, I'm stymied. Have tried looking in 1891 for every Ann* and every Hen* in/born in Eaton Bray, to no avail.

Maybe she went to Australia for a while and came home! That's where my gr-grparents were in 1891. ;)

1912 death 13/2/1912 reg Leighton Buzzard on15/2/1912 age 40 years by her sister Hannah . Ihave both birth and death certs.

The first Sarah Ann was born in 1847 but died in 1863.