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Christine thanks for the info. Loved the picture of the Emery Hills. So nice to see where you 4 x grandfather would have lived.

Victoria the Mary Fry is in the same area but the marriage is 1800 and Henry, son, was born between 1816 - 1821 so unless they had a load of other children may be a bit early. Although year would fit in with approx date of births - them both being about 20 -

I wonder how I would find out more info regarding this marriage.

Thanks you all

Paula

Thanks a lot

http://www.londoncharities.com/content/history.htm

another possible marriage

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Parish Records Collection - marriage
Day: 30

Month: Dec

Year: 1827

Groom Forenames: Richard

Groom Surname: LONG

Bride Forenames: Mary

Bride Surname: REYNOLDS

Place: Hampton

County: Middlesex

Country: England

Hampton is a bit far out though unless it is where she comes from

http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/Thomas-Hosmer-Shepherd/Emery-Hills-Alms-Houses-In-Rochester-Row,-1850.html

you will like this

a painting of them

for ref - definition of orris weaving

The Orris weaving was a lucrative section of the trade -the manufacture of gold & silver lace and braid.

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=45178&strquery=emery+hills


On the north side of Rochester Row is a range of neat brick-built cottages, known as Emery Hill's Almshouses. There is a grammar-school attached to them. They were founded in 1708, to provide a home for six poor men and their wives, and for six widows, and also a school for boys.
Opposite this row of almshouses is St. Stephen's Church, which was erected and endowed about the year 1847, by Miss (now Baroness) Burdett-Coutts. It is from the designs of Mr. Benjamin Ferrey. It is built in the Decorated Gothic style of the fourteenth century, with a tower and spire on the northern side, nearly 200 feet high. The church, which is most richly decorated and picturesque, will hold about 1,000 worshippers. On the south side of the west front is a group of schools attached to the church, which afford accommodation for about 400 children; together with a parsonage, or presbytery, a portion of which forms a tower surmounted by a quaint, foreign-looking louvre.

From: 'The city of Westminster: Introduction', Old and New London: Volume 4 (1878), pp. 1-13. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=45178&strquery=emery+hills Date accessed: 14 July 2009.

I know you have seen this one but occupation is worded differently on FMP

I wondered if you may find a clue through his trade or the almshouse. Do they keep records?

1851 Address: 8, Emery Hills Almshouses, St John The Evangelist, Westminster
LONG, Richard Head Widower M 82 1779 Almsman Formerly Gold Lace Weaver
Westminster
Middlesex

marriage maybe?

RICHARD LONG Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: MARY FRY Family
Marriage:
24 AUG 1800 Saint Luke, Chelsea, London, England

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M067052

for info

1871 Address: Avery Farm Row, St George, Westminster
LONG, Henry Head M 55 1816 Middlesex VIEW
LONG, Elizabeth Wife F 43 1828 Gloucestershire VIEW
LONG, Arthur Son M 9 1862 Middlesex VIEW
LONG, Edgar Son M 6 1865 Middlesex VIEW
LONG, Elizabeth Daughter F 4 1867 Middlesex

Thank you Judecar but I am looking for info on Henry's father Richard.

Not sure but is it Henry you are looking for? In the 1851 census he is living with his sister Lydia Gay. DOB 1816/17.

Thanks Lancashireann yes I agree the 1841 rounded up and down by 5 years I have taken the year on the 1881 census but I have searched either side by 5 years and can't find any info for a Henry with father Richard born Westminister.

Thanks for your reply.

Sorry I should have mentioned I had him on the 1861 he was in an Almshouse and a widower aged 82

To Recap have him on the 1841/51/61

if Henry was actually still only 64 on 1881 census he would have been 24 in 1841 which would have been rounded down to 20 giving birth year of 1821

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This I believe is the death of Richard as I have him on the 1861 census
I have not ordered the death cert for this.

Deaths Mar 1865 (>99%)
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LONG Richard Westminster 1a 260

Will check in a little while - Thanks

Bookmarked this from Last July wonder if anyone has any further input. Know nearer to finding elusive people or confirming info added previously. Any ideas??

This is a previous thread that I have on this family BUT I am resubmitting as a new thread as I want to try and clarify what I have Old thread

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1070280

Info I know from census.

1841 Census

Richard Long c1780 birth Westminister Middx.
Mary Long c1781
Lydia c1816 who went on to marrying Frederick Gay
Henry 1c821? (calculated from 1881 census as 1816)
Fanny c1832

IGI For Henry BUT year of birth 1827 also Marylebone - on all census they appear to live in Westminsiter Middx.


1881 Census

Henry LONG Head M Male 65 Westminster, Middlesex, England Orris Weaver (...)
Elizabeth LONG Wife M Female 53 Nth Nibley, Gloucester, England
Arthur LONG Son U Male 19 Pimlico, Middlesex, England Short Hand Clerk
Edgar LONG Son U Male 16 Pimlico, Middlesex, England Clerk


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Source Information:
Dwelling 15 Avery Farm Row
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341025
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0108 / 119
Page Number 3

Problem:- I cannot find any information on Richard Long or Mary other than the 1841 census.

On the previous thread it was mentioned that Richard was possibly Henry's grandfather BUT on the marriage cert of Henry to Elizabeth it says Richard is father and a Master Orris Weaver.

Any help or advise appreciated

Thanks Paula