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Scotland Marriage - BRICK WALL !!!

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Sandra

Sandra Report 2 Aug 2009 12:11

1891
71 Vennel Greenock West
Thomas Graham 45 Cab Driver Ireland
Mary " 42 "
Elizabeth " 17 Domestic Serv
Thomasina " 10 "
Henrrietta " 5

Sandra

Sandra Report 2 Aug 2009 12:06

1881 Gourock Inverkip Renfrewshire
Thomas Graham 35 Head Tramway Driver Ireland
Mary " 33 "
Elizabeth " 6 Glasgow
John " 5 "
Thomasina " 3 Gourock
Mary " 1 !

Sandra

Sandra Report 2 Aug 2009 12:01

There are no Elizabeth Kirkwood with parents Thomas and Mary Jane.
There was one Elizabeth Kirkwood born to Martha Kirkwood with no fathers details. I don't know if Mary Jane had a sister called Martha.

Sandra

Sandra Report 1 Aug 2009 12:06

I'm beginning to wonder where Elizabeth came from and disappeared to,
Maybe as someone said, Elizabeth might have been born to a sister of Mary Jane and she brought her up as her own???

Sandra

Sandra Report 31 Jul 2009 13:37

A kind lady done a census lookup for me and found this -

This is the only Elizabeth Graham that comes up with a father called Thomas and mother called Mary:-

Name: Elizabeth Graham
Age: 11 Mos
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Maryhill, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 627
Registration district: Cambuslang
Civil parish: Cambuslang
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Church St. Mc Dades Blds
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 16
Line: 8
Roll: cssct1881_206
Household Members:
Name Age

Thomas Graham 28, born Ireland
Mary Graham 30, born Maryhill, Lanarkshire
Andrew Graham 8
Elizabeth Graham 11 Mos
Arthur Carlton 40

Source Citation: Parish: Cambuslang; ED: 3; Page: 3; Line: 8; Roll cssct1881_206; Year: 1881

Sandra

Sandra Report 31 Jul 2009 13:26

Aileen, I would very much appreciate the details of the marriage, I would like to know who the witnesses etc were.
Thank you.

Sandra

Sandra Report 31 Jul 2009 13:24

Thomas, thank you very much for the details.

Aileen

Aileen Report 31 Jul 2009 12:55

I took a look at the marriage for Henrietta in 1905....it was the right Henrietta but Elizabeth was not a witness so no luck there......if you want details of the marriage let me know.
Also no marriage for Elizabeth to a McMillan

Tombul

Tombul Report 31 Jul 2009 12:53

Mary Jane Graham widow odf Thomas Graham, Labourer died 1926 May Thirtieth at 11h 15m A.M. at 14 Inverkip Road, Greenock. (Usual residence 5 Cowgate, Greenock) aged 78 years.
Father John Kirkwood, Labourer (deceased)
Mother Jane kirkwood m.s. Mooney (deceased)
Cause of death; Senile decay, Gangrene of feet.
As cert by W Leggett M.D.
Registered by John Graham, son of 41 West Blackhall Street Greenock in the district of Gourock in the County of Renfrew.

No indication that Mary was married more than once from this certificate.

Sandra

Sandra Report 30 Jul 2009 20:10

what is a "Poorhome" ?

Aileen

Aileen Report 30 Jul 2009 13:12

I would suggest that as Thomas was in the Poorhome , probably the hospital section as he was ill, it would not be unusual the signing would have been done by their staff......not because the couple had split up

Sandra

Sandra Report 30 Jul 2009 10:27

I have looked up 3 more marriages for Mary Jane on SP but none are a match so, she couldn't have remarried.

Sandra

Sandra Report 30 Jul 2009 10:03

Aileen, Thank you very much.
I wonder why his wife Mary Jane didn't register the death as she didn't die until 1926, maybe they split up?

Aileen

Aileen Report 30 Jul 2009 08:35

I checked out the death for Elizabeth in 1899 and it wasn't your Elizabeth......

Aileen

Aileen Report 30 Jul 2009 08:30

1899 GRAHAM THOMAS M 54 GOUROCK /RENFREW 567/02 0122

Thomas Graham (Labourer) married to Mary Jane Kirkwood ....died 20/08/189 at Greenock Poorhome within Lanark usual residence 4 Manse Lane Greenock......son of Thomas (Labourer) and Eliza (I think) ms McMullen...death cert signed by ARW Burglass (I think) Poorhome Clerk

Sandra

Sandra Report 29 Jul 2009 19:37

rootsgatherer and Val, I don't know for sure if she did marry, thank you to everyone who has spent their time helping me, I really do appreciate it.

Val

Val Report 29 Jul 2009 16:27

Here is all deaths for Elizabeth Graham in Renfrew date of birth I did was 1875 with 2 yrs age difference so will have marriage names there also but mother name doesn't show up on deaths so you need to get ideas which one if she never had middle name you can ignore they ones

Surname / Maiden Name Forename Mother's Surname Other Surnames Sex Age District City/County/MR GROS Data Image Extract
1 1899 GRAHAM ELIZABETH F 25 GREENOCK EAST /RENFREW 564/01 0366 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
2 1916 GRAHAM ELIZABETH MCGROARTY F 41 PORT GLASGOW /RENFREW 574/00 0123 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
3 1945 GRAHAM ELIZABETH RAMSAY MCLEAN F 70 NEWTON MEARNS GLASGOW CITY/RENFREW 571/02 0017 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
4 1951 GRAHAM ELIZABETH BRYCELAND ROBERTSON F 76 GREENOCK /RENFREW 564/00 0498 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
5 1956 GRAHAM ELIZABETH KANE MCFANN F 79 NEWTON MEARNS /RENFREW 571/02 0086 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
6 1964 GRAHAM ELIZABETH Not Permissible F 87 PAISLEY /RENFREW 573/01 0681 No Image ORDER
7 1964 GRAHAM ELIZABETH (LIZZ Not Permissible F 89 GREENOCK /RENFREW 564/00 0237 No Image ORDER
8 1966 GRAHAM ELIZABETH KELLY Not Permissible MCMILLAN F 90 PAISLEY /RENFREW 573/01 0727 No Image ORDER
9 1941 GRAHAM MARY ELIZABETH SCOTT F 68 JOHNSTONE AND ELDERSLIE /RENFREW 573/02 0039 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

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Aileen

Aileen Report 28 Jul 2009 23:53

Do you have the details from Thomas death cert?....if not I can give you them

Sandra

Sandra Report 28 Jul 2009 16:20

Aileen,
Thank you very much for your help.

Val, thank you,I think the birth year is wrong as nobody can find her.

Val

Val Report 28 Jul 2009 14:25

Remember always take at least 2 yrs extra years in case 1874/73 as I found some of mine that way