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is there someone who can help me to find out if there is a russian and polish immigrants records list.....
i have been trying to find out when and how my grt granparents came here.
seems they were born in russia/poland.
frank ws a mincyinskus or similar born abt 1862
mary ws a podenski /yakob or similar born abt 1852ish
mary had two children joseph and mary..am not realy sure if they were franks. but when i find them on my grans birth cert istates they had changed their names to MIller.not sure if they did it here on the way?or after they arrived in uk
thanking you
jacki b

Jacki, Is this them.... 1901

Mary Miller
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Russian Subj, Russia

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St David
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 77
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Miller 50
Joseph Grabossky 24
Annie Grabossky 26


REgards Vera

this one is interesting

1881
Address: 61, Templar St, Leeds
MENCUFSKY, Joseph Head Married M 28 1853 Tailor
Russia VIEW
MENCUFSKY, Lizzie Wife Married F 22 1859
Russia VIEW
MENCUFSKY, Reuben Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Leeds
Yorkshire VIEW
MENCUFSKY, Jacob Son Single M 3 1878
Leeds
Yorkshire VIEW
MENCUFSKY, Sarah Becky Daughter Single F 0 1881
Leeds
Yorkshire VIEW
HYMAN, Fanny Sister Law Single F 17 1864 Tailoress
Russia VIEW
POLINSKY, Marks Cousin Single M 20 1861 Shoe Maker
Russia

Could you copy out what it says on the certificates.

hi on certs;
frank miller formally minskyinskas born 1862 russia.widow of mary formally b\pudinskustie/frank died 1926st josephs home for the poor in garngadhill lanark.mary died abt 1900 not sure at birth of ellen or just after...
his father was john minsyinskas deceased
mother was annie formally b/pu?inskutie
mary miller formally podenskey, on victorias brth 1896
mary miller formaly bodimski on williams cert 1897
so you see its not that easy...

my first thought is frank died in lanarkshire so you need records for Scotland. I do not have those. You could try on the records board if anyone is offering a look up.

This could be Frank in 1891


Name: Frank Miller
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Russia

Civil parish: Westgate
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Abraham Simon 26
Fanny Simon 25
Morris Simon 6
Ada Simon 1
David Smith 18
Frank Miller 24 occupation river ?? - born Prussia - british subject

1901

Name: Frank Millar
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Marie
Gender: Male
Where born: Poland, Russia

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Less
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 564
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Millar 34 sugar worker
Marie Millar 33
Frank Millar 8 born poland / russia
Joseph Millar 6 born liverpool
Antony Millar 3
Adam Millar 1
Archibald Millar 22 cousin
Benedict Millar 27 cousin
Joseph Autonage 30 russia boarder
Frank Gaonronchia 32
William Danailas 22
Stanislova Crepwtie 30

1891

Name: Francis Menchinskie
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Poland, Russia

Civil parish: Stockport
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Stockport
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Stockport First
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Stanislaus Sabalofskie 28
Annie Sabalofskie 30
Antonious Sabalofskie 4
Annie Sabalofskie 2/12
Francis Menchinskie 32 occupatiopn Tailor

In answer to your first question about migration, there are not many, if any passenger lists from Europe.

this website might give you some info
http://www.movinghere.org.uk/default.htm

if the family was Jewish and fleeing the persecutions in Europe in 19 century it might be worth checking synagogue records in the area that they settled.

if they were naturalized in England then it might be worth checking the National archives records http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp

series code HO 405

well done victoria

hi
i did go to kew archives last year and found nothing the lady sed they may never of become british citz...
the only one of yr cens that could possibly be his parents is the last one.. will check against the cert i hv for frank.
how strange i guess alot of people fleeing from abroad came to uk and didnt become british.. makes me wonder why they left where they lived and when they came here....
cheers
jacki

Jacki

are any of the Frank Miller census records any good?

on the birth certificates that you have what was his occupation?

also please give locations for the births of the children

1901

Victoria Miller
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Frank
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: Wigan St George
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 204
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Miller 43 b. 1858 Russia, Poland occ Tailor - Widower
Joseph Miller 15 b. 1886 Russia, Poland
Mary Miller 12 b. 1889 Russia, Poland
Victoria Miller 4
William Miller 3 b. 1898 Manchester, Lancashire
Ellen Miller 8 months b. 1900 Wigan, Lancashire,
Andrew Maljeskine 20 1881 b. Russia, Poland
Anthony Sodlosky 44
Mary Birnckich 20
Constantine Shrnid 38
Margaret Shrnid 22

If this 1901 census is correct then the family came over between 1889-1897

it is possible that the 1891 census of Francis Menchinskie is correct and he came over before the rest of the family

I presume that they were Jewish so it may be worth contacting Manchester Jewish museum http://www.mjm.org.uk/

Jacki

can you answer the questions - just nudging the thread doesn't help us help you.

hi yes i think thats frank and the kids in the cen u have given...
he was a tailor and journeyman do you wish to see my tree then you can see the info i have and the cens..?i didnt wna assum they were jewish but have been told before they may well have been......but i dont know for sure myself.he maywell have done but my gran ellen and victoria and william were born here ellen in wigan 1900 and willy and vicky in manchester lancs 1896/7
thnx so much sorry i havent got bk to you but i was away for my birthday..
jacki

hello Vera, sorry have only just gt bk to you hv been away for a break only got back yesterday..
yes that is them with kids..
jacki

morning,
can someone tell me please if i should look for someone in the cens who may have become a brtish citz and see if i can find them on any shipps lists?
they may have come over together.?
mmm
if you can help
i thank you in advance
jacki

Hi Jacki..

Is that your tree with pictures on Ancestry? If not then there is someone has them couple.