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I would like to thank all the people who have helped me in my resent rearch, in particular Viv and Dea who made my job so much easier, I have made contact with people who are also related to the same Foote Family Tree and can confirm that all your information was correct. Well done to all of you
Terry K

One of them says this.

Are you getting muddled. Arthur H Foote married Jane Perring in Plymouth 1910, why are you referring to an Harry Foote with wife Jane in 1901. I expect that this couple were either Harry Foote/Jane Sheaven who married in Sherbourn in Dec.1898 or Harry Foote/Jane Stone, Salisbury Mar.1899.

If you have your parents birth cert with their mothers maiden name of Perring on it then how in heck can he be married to one of the proposed above????????
If all the childrens births that I found are your parents siblings then surely we have the correct 1901 census with him as HARRY .

T****l p***s and R**ts c**t...
None of them have taken Kathleen Foot/Foote registered in march quarter 1901 into account I see.

You go with them Terry ,and search the country for Arthur Henry Foote who says he was born in Wincanton.
Maybe you will find him in West Ham !

Yes the census was done in Plymouth,Devon.
It is a goverment form so if thats where it says it was done then it must be I would have said.
When this "other"person says that he has "tested the transcription"I am presuming that he has tried to follow Arthur Henry Foote born in Wincanton Somerset back.,he wont be able to ,as he was born as Harry by my research ,not Arthur Henry,he changed his name for some reason,prob to make a new start and marry under that name ,this is far from the first instance of people doing this,just ask anyone on here and in fact my other greatgrandfather changed his name from John Henry to Thomas plus moved his date of birth to become old enough "overnight"to join the navy...
If that person follows baby Kate/Kathleen back they will see why I am saying this.
You can of course go with their findings ,or rather NON findings,but he clearly states on 1911 he was born in Wincanton,also on 1901 as Harry with his "wife"and child.
And before that we find the man on 1901 as Harry ,born Wincanton..with Father William,but as you have never said WHAT his fathers occupation was on his marriage cert to Jane I can not tell you if this is 100% the right person,I just truly think it is..

If you give ALL the details from his marriage cert as asked for earlier by Dea it makes it easier to find things,and of course I cant see what you have in front of you,only you know that,so unless it is transfered to here????

Hi Viv.
Well that's explained a bit more, another question I'm sorry was the census from Plymouth,Devon the reason I ask is that someone from another forum stated that he had tested the transcription of the piece on my grandparents and they were not born in Devon,Somerset or Dorset, (I've been researching in Dorset) as well. Reading his reply just confused me more then ever.
Terry

http://www.1911census.co.uk/

It says he was born in Wincanton not working there.
It does not say where he was working,just that he was a sawmills labourer.

Do get a copy as of course it should be in HIS handwiriting,if he could write and didnt get someone else to fill it in.
I would offer to send you a copy by email,but the last one I tried to do is still being searched for in cyberspace!
Not very techno me...

Yes Terry - it does do 'pay to view'

Dea x

Viv, the information from the 1911 census does the site do a pay for view system because I would like to get a copy. On the Arthur Henry Foote piece it states (from your e-mail reply ) that he was a lab. in Saw mills in Wincanton. But the residence at the time of the census was at 7 quarry Court Plymouth which would be correct because my mother was born in Quarry Court.

Terry

Your welcome Terry..

Many thanks again Viv without that I would have been serching for ages.

Terry

Births Mar 1901
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FOOT Kathleen Plymouth 5b 242

Births Sep 1902
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Foote Mary Jane Plymouth 5b 256a


Births Sep 1904
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Foote William Henry Plymouth 5b 260


Births Sep 1906
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Foote Charley E. Stonehouse 5b 273


Births Mar 1909
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FOOTE Sarah Ann Plymouth 5b 237

Births Mar 1911
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Foote Susan E Plymouth 5b 236

All from

http://freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Thanks Viv when it's put like that It makes a lot of sense. Would it have been possible to not register your children as i cannot locate the first four in the BMD index, these were Kate (Kathleen) 1901,Mary Jane 1903, William Henry 1905 and Charles 1907.

Terry K

So who was to know that they werent married if they didnt tell anyone?
And it happened all he time,weddings were expensive,some people couldnt marry the person they lived with as one or both of them were married to someone else.
Divorce was even dearer and very hard to be granted,especially in the working class.
My great grandmother and great grandfather were married,but not to each other,they were both married "elsewhere" and my g.grandfathers spouse outlived him and my G.grans spouse died just 6 months before her.
It happened..a lot !

Hi everyone,
This side of the family, my mothers side is really confusing and I'm only at the first hurdle in my research. I'm having trouble believing that my grandma would have five children outside of wedlock from 1901-1909, the stigma would have been enomous in those days.
Terry K

Not necessarily Maryb.

There seem to have been 2 born within 2 years of each other in the same place.

However, as I said about the census, it is not unknown for the same person to be registered twice so I would not discount what you have found at this stage.

Dea x

That clears that one then,were there two Harry Foot's born same year and place then??

Maryb

I think it might be a 'red herring' though Maryb as Harry seems to be with Elizabeth + family on 1901.

Although it is not unheard of to be on census twice!!

I will post this purely for info as I can't trace them on 1911.

Births Dec 1865
Godfrey Elizabeth Amelia Wincanton 5c 539
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1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Godfrey
Name: Elizabeth Godfrey
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Helen
Gender: Female
Where born: Horsington, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Horsington
Ecclesiastical parish: Horsington
Town: Horsington
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Registration district: Wincanton
Sub-registration district: Milborne Port
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Godfrey 61
Helen Godfrey 51
Elizabeth Godfrey 25
Julia Godfrey 20
Frances Godfrey 15


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1902; Folio 80; Page 8; GSU roll: 6097012
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1901 England Census
about Elizabeth Foot
Name: Elizabeth Foot
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Harry
Gender: Female
Where born: Horsington, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Horsington
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
Town: Horsington
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England


Registration district: Wincanton
Sub-registration district: Milborne Port
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Household Members: Name Age
Harry Foot 30 .............Baker
Elizabeth Foot 35
Godfrey Foot 5
William Sheppard 20

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2304; Folio: 82; Page: 11.

This would 'appear' to be another Harry (possibly the 1873 birth?)


Dea x

Well spotted Maryb

Dea x

If it was Harry born wincanton 1875 5c 513 there was also a jane with same 5c 513 she died 1875

Maryb

There was a marriage for a Harry Foot in Wincanton 1894 to a Elizabeth Amelia Godfrey,maybe if he got married before and there wasn't a death or divorce this could be the reason Harry didn't marry jane until 1910.

Maryb