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Hi Ozi,
Me again, Sorry meant to say you were amazing too!!!!!!!
As usual I am getting confused. Fannybygaslight was so helpful on a different thread!
Bye for now,
Ken

Hi Ozi,
Thanks for taking the time to reply. Didnt really think I'd get a response after all this time!
I sort of figured that out after posting my question but its nice to have it confirmed.
My tree is more or less complete now and I would like again to thank you and all the others for their help as I think I would probably still be stuck on Grandfather Griffith! Fannybygaslight in particular was amazing.
Hope your all well and keeping up the fantastic work. I still struggle getting my head around things - takes me ages!
cheers,
Ken

Still here, Ken. Nice to see you're still around too. How have you been going with your ancestors?

Do you mean my post of 15 Dec 2009 20:56?

If so, I got all relevant births from freebmd then checked them out on the 1881 census, and the 1901 census.

It's educated guesswork, so for confirmation you'd need the certificates.

Ozi

HI Ozi,
If you are still around can you tell me how you managed to find births with the fathers name and the mothers first name without first having the certificate?
You help would be much appreciated.
Thank you,
Ken

cheers oz.
bye

It was a most enjoyable and satisfying 'find', Ken. Happy hunting with the rest of your ancestors.

You'll need patience with that Welsh lot!

Ozi

Hi all. sorry it's me again.
You can all groan and shake your heads in disbelief but I only just got the bit about Griffith being in hospital on the night of the census in 1891!! Told you I was slow. All makes perfect sense now, finally!
Goodbye for now
Ken :-)

Thanks to you all!! Your'e amazing!!
Particular thanks Ozi - loads of work - much appreciated. Nearly at point of printing tree. Means a lot to me and my brothers as we have very little family history. didn't even know grandparents names till I joined GR. Have enough info now to move on. Been stuck on this one for 6 weeks! Never even considered Griffith E from Ffestiniog.
Thanks again.
Ken

Thanks, Viv. It was fun.

Ozi

Most excellent work there Ozi,a joy to watch unfold.

And well done Jan for the "crucial"question to help solve yet another bothersome Welsh Evans problem. .

Excellent thinking, jansmith. It made ken think out of the square and it seems confirmation, if not definite proof. Though Elizabeth P with William snr in 1901 would certainly be trumps for me!

Ozi

Glad the witness name looks like it has helped!

I think Greenfield Row has to be a clincher.

Also in 1881 Griffith is the only one born Festiniog. Perhaps his family couldn't remember exactly where they were living when he was born.


Here's William and the younger boys in 1901.

1901 Wales Census
Name: William Evans
Age in 1901: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanfaircaercenion, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Civil parish: Ystradyfodwg
Ecclesiastical parish: Llwynypia St Andrew
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 10 Railway Terrace
Condition as to marriage: widowed

Occupation: Coal miner hewer below ground

Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub-registration district: Ystradyfodwg
ED, institution, or vessel: 55
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 76
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Watkins 35
Mary Elizabeth Watkins 27
Robert John Watkins 9
Frances Mary Watkins 8
Elizabeth Ann Watkins 4
Isaac Thomas Watkins 2
William Evans 51
Evan Edward Evans 19 - Coal miner hewer below ground; Cwmparc
Abraham Thomas Evans 15 - Coal miner labourer below ground; Cwmparc
Frederick Robert Watkins 23 - brother & visitor
Elizabeth Price Evans 23 - visitor; Cwmparc <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


From: http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/mid/sites/llanfaircaereinion/
Llanfair Caereinion in Montgomeryshire's Banwy Valley is one of the smallest towns in Powys. Almost 3,000 people lived here in the mid 19th century when the woollen industry was at its peak.

Hi everyone. I have just found an Elizabeth P. Evans who also lived in Greenfield Row in 1881 and was same age as Griffith. I think then this must be my ancester as these two people(Frank Young no. 35 and Elizabeth no.26) were the same names as his marriage witnesses! Thanks Ozi for finding the info and letting me know about Griffith E. It seems his middle name was Etheridge. Strange!! Would still like to know what conclusion everybody would come to. I'm so grateful to everyone you'll never know. I hope I got this right and am getting used to all this now so hopefully will be able to help others as you have helped me.
Just one more thing, if ive got all this hopelessly wrong please tell me cos I am nearly at the point of printing off tree for all my family. cheers, ken.

hi ozi. Do you think this helps? when jansmith asked about witnesses i typed in Frank Young and put his birth date same as Griffiths plus or minus 10 years. only two came up and the one in ponty lived at 35 greenfield row which is ten doors down from the address that you gave me for Griffith E Evans(no45 Greenfield row) Still leaves some unanswered questions. Why E Evans when there is no E on future census. Also where did he go. Anychance you can have a look cos I getting more confused but I think it may be a good lead. Thanks Jansmith!

Thanks Ozi! yeah you do make it look easy. Trust me, just writing this takes me an age! So if you had to make a decision which one do you think it is? I appreciate it so much. dont blame you for avoiding Welsh names, it is a nightmare.
Hi Jansmith, names of witnesses are Lizzie P. Evans and Frank Young. Sorry don't have date of death but am looking.
Could be cos of lungs - very unusual profession.
Is it at all possible that Griffith was never registered at birth?

Do witness names on marriage help?
Do you know when he died?

Possibility:


1891 Wales Census
Name: Griffith Evans
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Patient
Gender: Male
Where born: Festining, Merionethshire, Wales
Civil parish: St John
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Cardiff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Occupation: Collier
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: Glamorganshire and Monmouthshire Infirmary


I didn't record the page full of other patients. If this is him do you think it is why he became a hairdresser and not a collier? He could've had weak lungs.

Just thinking aloud.

Ozi

Well done Ozi!

I'm house-bound at the moment Ken, so this is giving me something to do. Usually I shy away from Welsh searches as they are so confusing. This looks as if I'm doing it easily but it's years of practise.

This is the most likely one for your bloke so far.

1881 Wales Census
Name: William Evans
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Montgomeryshire, Wales
Civil parish: Ystradyfodwg
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 45 Greenfield Row
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Coal Miner
Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub-registration district: Ystradyfodwg
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Evans 30
Mary Evans 26 - Llanwrnam, Cardiganshire
Mary E. Evans 7 - Llanwrnam, Cardiganshire
Wm. John Evans 5 - Cwmpark, Glamorgan
Griffith E. Evans 3 - Ffestiniog, Merionethshire
Isaac E. Evans 1 - Cwmpark, Glamorgan



Bother, Griffith is missing.
1891 Wales Census
Name: William Evans
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanfair, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Civil parish: Llanwonno
Town: Ynysybwl
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 46 Augusta St
Condition as to marriage: widowed

Occupation: Coal miner Windsor Pit
Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub-registration district: Llanwonno
Household Members:
Name Age
William Evans 39
Mary Evans 17 - Housekeeper; Llanafan, Cardiganshire
William J Evans 15 - coal miner Windsor Pit; Cwmpark
Isaac Evans 11 - scholar; Cwmpark
Evan E Evans 8 - scholar; Cwmpark
Thomas Evans 5 - scholar; Cwmpark
Sarah Evans 20 - boarder; dressmaker; Llanfair, Montgomery [My guess is that she's a relation of William snr come to help after his wife's death.]

They all speak both Welsh and English.


Births Mar 1882
EVANS Evan Edward Pontypridd 11a 378