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Name: Lily Rose Irish
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Chichester
County: Sussex, West Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 358

Just had a thought -


where did you find Jessies birth please?
ie - what was the registration number?

also , in 1891 - Age: 1 Residence Sub Deanery, Sussex
what is sub deanery?
did Jessie have any siblings? other than John?

THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO HAS HELPED / IS HELPING ME WITH MY SEARCH FOR JESSIE LENA IRISH & HER FAMILY - AND JESSIE'S HUSBAND - REGINALD QUICK & HIS FAMILY

i REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.

Starr1 - you really do live up to your name - your a Star! - thank you for summerising everything for me - a great help.

Jessie Lena Irish
Birth
29 Oct 1890
Chichester Death
1971
hertfordshire
Parents & Siblings
John Rodgers Irish (1862-)
Kesiah Irish (1853-)
Spouse & Children
Reginald Charles Quick (1888-1981)
Living Quick (-)
Maurice Reginald Quick (1916-1944)
Leonard William Quick (1919-1966)
Timeline 1890
29 OctBirth
Chichester
Age: 1 Residence
Sub Deanery,
Sussex
, England
Age: 11
Residence
Lavant
, Sussex
, England1
16 OctAge: 24 Marriage to Reginald Charles Quick
wimbledon park
London
St Barnadas's Church1971
Age: 81 Death
hertfordshire
.Family Members Parents
John Rodgers Irish 1862 –
Kesiah Irish 1853 – Show siblings
Hide siblings Half siblings
Florence Irish 1877 –
John Irish 1882 – Spouse & Children
Reginald Charles Quick 1888 – 1981
Living Quick Maurice Reginald Quick 1916 – 1944
Leonard William Quick 1919 – 1966

There is a family tree on Ancestry containing:

John Rodger Irish and Kesiah Irish (Irish being the maiden name) (no marriage) they had a daughter, Jessie Lena Irish (born 29th October 1890)

Several census are mentioned including the 1891 with the mother, Kate and brother John. (could Kate be short for Kesiah)

Most of the other 'Irish' names already mentioned on your board are included in the tree.

Not sure where the owner of the tree got the information from but her own surname would be familiar to you ‘Quick.’

going back to Rosanna Hall marrying John Twort -

not convinced that Rosanna Hall was Rosanna Irish

found her (I think) in 1861 -

1861 England Census
Name: Rosanna Hall
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Chichester, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Chichester Subdeanery
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Chichester
Sub-registration district: Chichester
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Household Members: Name Age
George Hall 60
Ann Hall 59
Rosanna Hall 25 **
Esther Hall 13




Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 623; Folio: 99; Page: 7; GSU roll: 542673.

and in 1871 (possibly with a brother lodging)

1871 England Census
Name: Rose A Twort
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Chichester, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Sub Deanery
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Registration district: Chichester
Sub-registration district: Chichester
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 125
Household Members: Name Age
John Twort 42
Rose A Twort 39
James Hall 38 **




Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1117; Folio: 47; Page: 21; GSU roll: 827517.

yep.....understood thanks Freewheel

Gill

If you check back through my postings, Gillian, you will see that I told you I could not find a death for John in either freebmd OR CWGC

Have you considered the suggestion about looking in the military/overses births on findmypast?

Never assume ANY info is correct, until you can prove it. I've lost count of the number of 'deceased' fathers on marriage certs where the bride/groom was actually illegitimate.

I suspect Rose Lilian & Jessie Lena Irish will turn out to be cousins or aunt / neice.........but I cant find any evidence as yet.

My priorities still remain:

Where was Jessie born? ( believed DOB 29th Oct 1890)
Who excatly were Jessies parents? what were both their occupations?
( believed to be John Irish & ?)
Did Jessie have any siblings? ( not known)
Who is Rosa Irish to Jessie? ( believed aunt /cousin)


Amazing - with all the help from Kind GR 'friends'....I have still not solved the above.

...but I do sincerely thank everyone for their help - as you know, Jessie Lena Quick - nee Irish is my father in laws mother & I wanted to give him a mini family tree for Xmas.....

However - I have discovered All the ' Quick' side of the family ( Jessies husband & my father in laws dad)
I have also discovered a little about Jessie ( his mum) family.......

I will keep looking ( and asking ) right up until midweek next week, when unfortunately, I have to stop.

Thanks again
Gill

Hi Choccy

I think that Rose Hall will turn out to be Rose Irish - I suspect that she married twice.

I think ( its only a guess ) that Rose Irish married Mr Hall - then married again to
John Twort 60
Rossina Twort 45
Rosea Irsh 5

doesn't help ! - I don't think

Marriages Mar 1863 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

HALL Rosanna Chichester 2b 407
TWORT John Chichester 2b 407

has this been posted ?

Think its Rosa (Rose Lilian) -

1881 England Census
Name: Rosea Irsh
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Chichester, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Subdeanary
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address: Theatre Lane
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Chichester
Sub-registration district: Chichester
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Twort 60
Rossina Twort 45
Rosea Irsh 5




Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1128; Folio: 40; Page: 8; GSU roll: 1341276.

If you look to when Rose Lilian Irish married Arthur William Dudman in
1895 !!!,,,,,,there is a large age gap between her and Jessie......

Jessie wasnt born in Scotland......

If you had the inclination at some point, it might be interesting to send for the birth details for the John Irish mentioned in the 1891 census … with mother, Kate and sister, Jessie.

Births Jun 1882
Irish John Chichester 2b 418

This certificate would give parents names and it might turn out to be the father is John Irish with the occupation Soldier.

Find it odd that a birth for Jessie Irish can’t be found … could it be she was registered under another name (by another father) but grew up thinking her name was Jessie Irish … matching in with her mother and brother.

Either that or as has already been mentioned. Jessie was born outside the UK while her father was on army duties.

Hi Helen

I know that you are absolutely correct...... I have got a bit 'carried away' at times....

I am assuming that the info given at the time of Jessies marriage is correct.

However, I also have this . so I beleive that the ' my dad is John Irish - a soldier/' is the truth - (and I cant see any reason to lie about hom being dead) so I assume that he died before 1915 ( possibly in the war) :
1881 England Census
about John Irish
Name: John Irish Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Gender: Male
Where born: Chichester, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Stoke Damerel County/Island: Devon Country: England
Street Address: "The Raglan Barracks" St Aubyn Devonport
Occupation: Private
Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub-registration district: St Aubyn
ED, institution, or vessel: The Raglan Barracks

I dont have Ancestry, Im afraid - so I have looked where I can, but am still looking ( and needing help ) for the following:

Who is Rosa Irish to Jessie?
Where was Jessie born?
Who excatly were Jessies parents? what were both their occupations?
Did Jessie have any siblings?

Gillian, I must say I totally agree with Freewheel.

I assume the only "evidence" you have of John Irish being Jessie's father, being a soldier and being dead before 1915 is the information on the marriage entry.

Just because something is on a marriage entry / cert does not mean it is true. To avoid the stigma of illegitimacy (for example) or just to "hide" unsavoury relations people would often lie about their father's names, occupations and whether or not they were still living. None of this had to be proved. People have also been known to lie about their age (or just not to know how old they were).

Helen

Julie - thank you for finding out about Lavant Home.
"It was leased by the Guardians of the Poor of Chichester as a childrens home. Closed in 1935" - that is excellent news to find out that t was a childrens home. - explains other things for me.

Freewheel - I know - thank you or being so patient with me.
I know that the birth date given on the death record is correct however - as the birth was registered by my mother in law - Jessies daughter in law.

I also know from Jessies marriage cert that her father was deceased and had been a soldier. - It also listed his name as John Irish.

So the date of birth for Jessie and her fathers info, at this moment in time, I HAVE to take as being correct.......

I have discovered that Jessies dad - John Irish was at a Barracks
( Raglan) aged 21 - in Devonport 1881 census.

I know that Jessie married a Reginald Quick in Wandsworth in 1915 - Reg was from Dorset and he was a gardener.
I know that Rosa Dudman nee Irish was a witness at their wedding.

Who is Rosa Irish to Jessie?
Where was Jessie born?
Who excatly were Jessies parents? what were both their occupations?
Did Jessi have any siblings?

Again - I cant thank everyone enough for heir help
Gill

Please, Gillian, don't get 'hung up' on Jessie's birth date and father's name - they have both yet to be proven....................

1841 image is IRISH

Name: Charles Mish
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1786
Gender: Male
Where born: Sussex, England

Civil parish: Boxgrove
Hundred: Box and Stockbridge
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Westhampnett
Sub-registration district: Boxgrove
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Mish 55
Hannah Mish 55
William Mish 20
John Mish 20
Henry Mish 15

Can't, however, see Charles who married Fanny

National Archives show that West Sussex R O in Chichester hold a lot of papers relating to Lavant Home. It was leased by the Guardians of the Poor of Chichester as a childrens home. Closed in 1935