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Helen & Freewheel /all

I just wanted to thank you - so much - for your help and to let you know that I really do appreciate it.

I have been a bit 'over-excited' to find out more about Jessie Lena Irish as my in-laws are coming at Xmas and my Jessie is my father in law's mother.
I am trying to find out about her early year background - hence a real urgency to find out about the Lavant home. ( still not totally sure - but guess that it was a girls school of some sort ) - would be nice if I could find out exactly.

Rosa Lillian Irish was also at Lavant 10 yrs earlier than Jessie -in 1891.
Rosa was a witness at Jesies wedding in 1915 to Reginald Quick in Wandsworth. Rosa, by then had married a Mr Dudman.

But - I still dont know what the relationship is between Rosa & Jessie - ie aunt / neice/ cousin / sister etc......I would like to find that out if pos.

Also, Jessie's parents - in particular her father - I know that he was a soldier, called John Irish - who died before her marriage in 1915.

We have discovered a Jessie Irish - supposidly born 1887 in Notting Hill with her mother Kate - I am not convinced that this is the correct Jessie.
If I could find a birth record for Jessie to confirm 1890 & the location- that would be great.......

any other info relating to the above people would also be wonderful as I am aiming to give my father in law a 'mini family tree' at Xmas ( I already have the 'Quick' family info ( Jessies husbands side)

Once again
Thank you all so much for helping me.........
Gill

CHARLES IRISH

Christening: 12 MAR 1843 Saint Andrew, Chichester, Sussex, England

Father: CHARLES IRISH
Mother: FRANCES

Interesting - IF this is Fanny's husband.......................

Deaths Sep 1852 (>99%)
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IRISH Charles Chichester 2b 182


I wonder who fathered all the children after 1852?

Gillian, I am not sure you noticed my post in amongst all the other census info etc.

Have you tried the GRO REGIMENTAL BIRTH INDICES and the GRO ARMY BIRTH INDICES which are separate from the standard GRO indices? Just thinking that this may help if her father was a soldier?

They are accessible on Find My Past, but I can't look them up for you as I only have access to the 1911 census not the other FMP records, someone else may be able to help, or you could pay to look, there are 5 index pages to look at and they are 1 credit each, I think you can do pay as you go on FMP.

EDIT just checked Pay as You Go on FMP and £6.95 gives you 60 credits which last for 90 days.

Helen

Lavant Home;

Head: is a Matron .... Matron of Lavant Home

Governess .... Governess (School)

Appears to be a girl's only Home or School.

The children are referred to as Students

1851

Name: Clement Irish
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Frances
Gender: Male
Where born: Chichester, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Chichester St Pancras
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Chichester
Sub-registration district: Sutton
ED, institution, or vessel: 10b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 77
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Irish 41 b. Boxgrove
Frances Irish 31 b. Densworth
Charles Irish 9
Jane Irish 4
Clement Irish


Marriages Sep 1841 (>99%)
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ALLEN Frances Chichester 7 351
IRISH Charles Chichester 7 351
Locke Mary Ann Wittman Chichesrer 7 351
McFEE Jane Chichester 7 351
McINTOSH Hugh Chichester 7 351
Pannell William Henry Chichester 7 351

Until you get a birth cert, you can't be 100% certain of the DOB - as explained earlier.

There is also no PROOF that John Irish is Jessie's father until you get a cert. I can't see a death for him on either freebmd or the CWGC site.

He could, of course, be her father, but not married to her mother...............

As for Fanny's marriage - check out freebmd.

I am nowalso looking for the marriage of:
Fanny Irish - Johns mum - ( John is Jessie Irish's dad)

Fanny must have married c 1840 - probably in Sussex.

However - my main priority is finding the actual birth record for Jessie Irish 29th Oct 1890.
and
The birth rcord of her relation ( relationship as yet unknown) Rosa Irish.

If that IS Jessie in 1891 - it is showing her as 4yrs old & we know that she was born in 1890 - 29th October.....so I am a bit puzzled.

Are there any births in Notting Hill for Jessie Irish - in 1890 ( in case the census got her age wrong. and why would she be born in Notting Hill if all her family were from Chichester - what is the connection?

And..

If it IS the same Jessie in Lvant Home in 1901 - what IS Lavant home??? Is it a school - or a home for girls ???? and what kind of home is it?

I notice that Rosa Irish also went to the Lavant Home - 10yrs before Jessie.

Also - Kate (who) - Jessie mother - if it IS the correct Jessie......is she around in the 1881 census at all? - where?

Might be worth considering:


1891 England Census
about Jessie Irish
Name: Jessie Irish
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Kate
Gender: Female
Where born: Notting Hill, London, England

Civil parish: Sub Deanery
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Chichester
Sub-registration district: Chichester
ED, institution, or vessel: Chichester Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Kate Irish 33
John Irish 9 Born: Chichester
Jessie Irish 4

On the original page is says Kate is Single. She was born in Boxgrove, Sussex

Could be John's birth:
Births Jun 1882
Irish John Chichester 2b 418

It is possible that 1901 Jessie is at Lavant Home - I have googled it - but cant find anything - which is strange.
There IS currently a girls school there, but it was established in 1952! ...so it cant be that!
Weird that I cant find anything else for Lavamt!

Walter in 1891

Name: Walter Irish
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Fanny
Gender: Male
Where born: Chichester, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Rumbolds Wyke
Ecclesiastical parish: Rumbolds Wyke
Town: Rumbolds Wyke
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Westhampnett
Sub-registration district: Wyke
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Irish 38
Fanny Irish 37
Sydney Irish 9
Amey Irish 7
Daisey Irish 4
May Irish 11/12

Clement in 1891

Name: Clement Irish
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Chichester, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Brighton
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Brighton
Sub-registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Clement Irish 40
Eliza Irish 42
William C Irish 4

1861 for Fanny etc

Name: Clement Irish
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Fanny
Gender: Male
Where born: Chichester, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Chichester St Pancras
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Chichester
Sub-registration district: Chichester
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 62
Household Members: Name Age
Fanny Irish 40
Charles Irish 19
Jane Irish 14
Clement Irish 10
Walter Irish 8
Fanny Irish 5
Sarah Ann Irish 2


Fanny is a Widow - so heaven knows who John's father was.......unless the Rodgers in his name is a hint!

John in 1871

Name: John Irish
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Fanny
Gender: Male
Where born: Chichester, Sussex, England
Civil parish: St Pancras
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Registration district: Chichester
Sub-registration district: Chichester
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 128
Household Members: Name Age
Fanny Irish 48
Clement Irish 19
Fanny Irish 16
Sarah Irish 12
John Irish 8

If Rosa's age in 1901 was correct, she's probably too old to be John's daughter..............he would have been 13 at most when she was born

Could this be Jessie in 1901


1901 England Census
about Jessie Irish
Name: Jessie Irish
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Pupil
Gender: Female
Where born: Chichester, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Lavant
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: Lavant
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Westhampnett
Sub-registration district: Boxgrove
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 32

Appears to be living in a Home ... Lavant Home. With many other pupils.

I havent been able to find Jessie Isish in the 1891 census - she would be 1 & her father John was a soldier.
Also
I havent been able to find Rosa Irish in the 1891 census Rosa would be 15.
I am not sure of their relationship - that is one of the things that I am trying to find out...ie cousin/ aunt / neice/ sister etc

If anyone is able to take a look for me on the census ( I may be missing it ) - it would be much appreciated.

Freewheel - thank you so much - thats definately the right person as her marriage cert states that she was a domestic.
Her birth record is a mystery though

Let us know if you find her in 1891................