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Hi,

Could kick myself for overlooking that one.

Its now been ordered, so waiting again, something I am not very good at!!

Will let you know when it arrives. Wexpected 3rd March.

SylviaG

Where do I begin, other than to say, I am still stuck.

Have received birth cert for ROBERT ANDREW PROUD b 9th Oct 1872
3, Rolls Cottages, St James's Road, Old Kent Road, Walworth, London.

Father registered him, ROBERT PROUD,Granary superintendent.
Mother, SARAH PROUD formerly BELL.
Registration district, St George Camberwell.

Have SARAH ANN PROUD on census says born in KENT and all children born either Camberwell or Peckham.

Cannot find her birth or marriage.

I also have Robert Andrew Proud b 1872 Marriage cert to Mary Ann Howe.
His father is named as ROBERT CANON PROUD (independent)
Date of marriage 1897. Peckham.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thankyou SylviaG

Births Sep 1840 (>99%)
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Bell Sarah Ann Greenwich 5 227



Sarah said to have been born in Woolwich.

Woolwich was in Greenwich district before 1868 -





1881 England Census
Name: Sarah Proud
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Robert
Gender: Female
Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 37 Peckham Pk Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Proud 47
Sarah Proud 40
Robert Proud 8
Tamar Proud 7
Mary Proud 5
Edith Proud 2
Emma Dam 30
Hannah Clark 20
Jane Day 19




Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 692; Folio: 79; Page: 9; GSU roll: 1341161.

Thankyou Choccy,

Have noted the info.

Any trace of the marriage.?
I am still trailing through Freebmd.

I do appreciate your help.
SylviaG

Thankyou Choccy,

Have noted the info.

Any trace of the marriage.?
I am still trailing through Freebmd.

I do appreciate your help.
SylviaG

I'm still looking too, but I suspect they didn't marry.


Might be worth getting his death certificate - it might give some clues.

Think this might be it -


Deaths Sep 1903 (>99%)
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Proud Robert 72 Camberwell 1d 394

1911 -




PROUD, Sarah Ann Head Widower F 72 1839 No Occupatiion Eltham Kent
PROUD, Herbert John Son Single M 29 1882 Tobacconists And Hairdresser Peckham London

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1854 Reference:
RG14PN1854 RG78PN65 RD23 SD5 ED36 SN6

Registration District:
Southwark Sub District:
Newington South EnumerationDistrict:
36 Parish:
St Mary Newington

Address:
31 Newington Butts Newington SE County:
London



Sarah states 40 years married


6 children of marriage, 5 living and 1 died

I,too, have my doubts that they married. Since Robert's wife,Betty,didn't die until 1890 they may have just let the matter slide.

I think this is Sarah's baptism:
Name: Sarah Ann Bell
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 9 Aug 1840
Father's Name: Thomas Bell Bombardier Royal Artillery
Mother's Name: Maria Bell
Parish: St Mary Magdalene, Woolwich
Borough: Greenwich
County: Middlesex
Born July 22,1840
Address:Mill Lane

Maureen

Thanks Choccy,

What a puzzle.
I agree that 1903 was Roberts death but I dont think the death cert will give me anything extra.
If Sarah has lived as Sarah Proud for 40 years then I should think it would either be her or their son Herbert who will be the person who registered the death.

Thanks for your help.

Hi Maureen,

Thicko here.

Am I reading this right.

Robert Proud b 1832 Is the same Robert Proud who married Betty Simpson but lived with Sarah Ann Bell.
Robert being, Robert Canon Proud as per his mother's maiden name???
Or am I completely off line??

Good to here from you again. I must really look stupid to you. Sorry.

SylviaG

maybe


Deaths Dec 1928 (>99%)
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Proud Sarah A 89 Camberwell 1d 851

Hi Sylvia,
Yes,I have no doubt that the two Roberts (Betty's and Sarah's) are one and the same.
I don't think you're being thick at all-just careful and perhaps afflicted with "my family myopia". Sometimes I can't see the forest for the trees when it comes to my own research!!

Cheers,
Maureen

Thanks Maureen and Choccy.

Naughty Robert !!!

Feeling relieved now, can push on.

Thanks again for sticking with me,

Best wishes.

SylviaG