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Going to bed now but will try to copy 1901 and 1911 census tomorrow -don't hold your breath

Yes, you are right Madmeg - I tried your links and failed - but I am useless computer-wise. Can you do it for me, with me paying of course.

Best Regards Harry

I think Astra was putting up that census as the best available. It might well be wrong, and she would probably say the same.

Can you put up the cencuses for 1901 and 1911? They might give us some clues.

Though I still think it's worth trying Cheshire for one of those Annie births.

Hello Astra and Janey, I' ve been scrutising the 1891 census you brought to my attention and it doesn't quite add up

Firstly Annie 18 is down as born in Manchester but all my subsequent census (1901 & 1911) state Sale, Cheshire. I know they are close but there is a difference now and certainly was in the 1800's.

Secondle I cannot find that family 1n 1881.

Comments very welcome

Okay Madmeg I will follow your advice - thanks

Thank you Janey, that clarifies it

No Harold, here is the link from Cheshirebmd to one of the Annies.

http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/certapp.php?type=births&data=GARNER%7cAnnie%7cAltrincham%7cTrafford%7c1872%7c1872%7c%7cTR%3aALT%2f37%2f59%7cG%7c4931%7ccheshire%7cTR%7c&lang=

Cheshire bmd.

Print off the form. Send it in with the criteria that father must be Jospeh and mother Ann. You can even specify Joseph's occupation if it was consistent from census to census. Tell them there is another possible:

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/pba.cgi?date=1871&county=cheshire&reference=TR%3AALT%2F36%2F3&file=G&pos=4988&area=TR

And you aren't sure which, if either, is right.

Write your story on the back of the form, with a clear marking on the front saying "PLEASE SEE OVERLEAF".

You'll get the right one, if indeed one of them is right.

EDIT, make sure to include your phone number. They phone. They don't do emails. And they might phone on Saturdays, while they are waiting between weddings!!!

You have got to look at original records, not just at the (often wrong, sometimes totally moronic) transcriptions by services like Ancestry.

The 1891 census record for "Josh Garner" doesn't say that at all.

It's a little difficult to say what it does say. But the "Josh" part is actually "Jos'h" -- the "h" is written superscript. It is an abbreviation for Joseph.

What it says in front of the "Jos'h" isn't immediately clear. It seems to have said John. I think maybe the whole first bit is meant to be scratched and was replaced by "Jos'h" before the surname was written.

In any case, what you really have there is a Mr Garner whose first or second name, probably first, is Joseph, who was a general labourer born in Ireland.

Yes Joseph, possibly - buy both certificates, I suppose, see if there is a Joseph as dad. Can you lend me the money?

Yes Joseph, possibly - buy both certificates, I suppose, see if there is a Joseph as dad. Can you lend me the money?

could be - Josh = Joseph but I'm not convincede

Wrong county but quite close

Annie Garner
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Josh
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Josh Garner 46>>>>>>>>labourer born Ireland
Ann Garner 50>>>>>>born ireland
Annie Garner 18
Christina Garner 14
Robert Garner 11
Anarao Garner 9>>>>>Looks like it could be Andrew

Hello and thanks Jonesey and Patricia - the marriage certificate just says Annie and the father is definitely Joseph. I know this is a difficult one - I've been struggling with it for ages.

Do you know if a middle name for yours?
Births Jun 1872
GARNER Annie Elizabeth Altrincham 8a 202
Births Sep 1872
GARNER Annie Altrincham 8a 165
Births Dec 1872
GARNER Annie Amelia Altrincham 8a 154

Jonesey's family in 1871 has father/husband John not Joseph, a coachman.

Though for all we know she might be big Annie Garner. She was born1872/3 in the Sale, Cheshire area. Through marriage she became Annie Worrall (=William) then Annie Harrison (=Jack). We know from a purchased marriage certificate her father was Joseph, a labourer.

We would love to track her mother and if possible her grandparents