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I didnt get the certs (cash flow prob), but i did find out that Arthurs middle initials were J H, then i checked on freeBMD and found an Arthur J H Ball, born in 1909 in Pancras. I tried doing the search you suggested me to try on the 1911 census site, but no joy, so was just requesting if someone with paid access to the 1911 census could try a search for me

Janey , the info you gave me at the beginning of this thread about Arthur (death and birth) is the right info , just hoping someone could find his parents on the census

You could go back to the top (your opening post) and click "edit".
You can then amend your title to include "still looking for 1911 look up please"

thank you Michael

BALL, John Head Married M 39 1872 Bootmaker Journeyman Wales Cardiff VIEW
BALL, Emily Wife Married
3 years F 30 1881 Cornwall Landrake VIEW
BALL, Arthur Son M 1 1910 London St Pancras VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1170 Reference:
RG14PN1170 RG78PN39 RD12 SD1 ED1 SN41

Registration District:
St Giles Sub District:
St Giles and Bloomsbury Enumeration District:
1 Parish:
St Giles in the Fields and St George Bloomsbury

Address:
41 Coram Buildings Herbrand Street County:
London

But there are all these Arthur Ball's in London:

Institution BALL, Arthur 1909 2 M Hackney London VIEW VIEW
Household BALL, Arthur 1910 1 M St Giles London VIEW VIEW
Household BALL, Arthur 1909 2 M Shoreditch London VIEW VIEW
Household BALL, Arthur 1911 0 M Southwark London VIEW VIEW
Household BALL, Arthur Frank 1909 2 M St Marylebone London VIEW VIEW
Household BALL, Arthur H 1909 2 M Islington London VIEW VIEW
Household BALL, Arthur Henry 1910 1 M Islington London VIEW VIEW
Household BALL, Arthur Leslie 1910 1 M St Olave (Bermondsey) London VIEW VIEW
Household BALL, Arthur Stephen 1911 0 M Wandsworth London VIEW VIEW

As Janey says, you need to get the marriage cert of Arthur and Florence in 1933 and come back to us with his father's name.

PS in editing your post, you've removed the names you were looking for. Put them back in.

mmm see what Janey means, shame none of these have J H as there middle name initials, thanks for looking

sorry for my ignorance, but how do i order the cert

You can order online at
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates

Steven, we've known all along what his initials were -- I posted his death right at the beginning:

Name: Arthur John H Ball
Birth Date: 9 Jun 1909
Death Registration Month/Year: 1977

and we have his birth and marriage.

Unless he were actually in the census as Arthur J/John H, nobody can have any clue which Arthur Ball he is! I think you've got that now? ;)

And again, please don't forget that *you* can find Arthur Ball-s in the 1911 just like we can:

http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx

But you have got to have something to match a 1911 Arthur Ball to -- parents' names from birth and marriage certificates -- to tell which one is yours.

If his name were Ebenezer Scrooge, you wouldn't have that problem. But his name is too common. Believe me, just be glad it isn't William Hill!

So just come back here if and when you have a certificate -- adding a post in this thread will tell everybody who has posted in it that there's something new, next week or next year.

And never ever order a certificate from anywhere but the GRO -- anywhere else is a rip-off.

Thank you Janey, will order the cert, and let you know what info I get from it. This should give me information about Arthur & Florence. Thank You, and all others for your time, i wont bother you in this thread again untill i get the cert information.............thanks Steve

As I said , im updating my latest information , Arthur John H ball was born in 1910 in St Pancras and later married a Florence Watson, Arthurs father was Charles Ernest Ball (b c1884 in Islington) and was a motor bus driver. Charles married Linda Maud C Patrick (b c1880 in Deptford), they married in St Pancras in 1908, this is as far as i can go, so if anyone else can add more info it would be much appreciated

So ... did you search the 1911 census for Arthur Ball living with Charles and Linda Ball?

They're easily found. Then when we search for any Ball living with Charles Linda Arthur Ball, there are no others.

I don't understand "this is as far as I can go".

To go back farther, you get the parents' marriage certificate, find their births and get the certificates, find them in censuses with parents. You know their full names and approximate DOBs, so that shouldn't be difficult.

To go forward -- siblings? -- you search for other births with the two parents' surnames, in case we haven't done that already here.

?

I searched the 1911 census and found that Charles had married Linda in 1908 and they had the 1 child, Arthur, with no other children born. I then searched FreeBMD and matched there marriage to find Linda's maiden name, Patrick. Next i searched the 1901 and 1891 census records, but couldn't find a Charles Ball I could be sure of as none were born in Islington, and couldn't find a Linda Patrick. I did find a Charles Patrick had married a Linda Lishman in 1898, so maybe Linda was married before ?. I gathered this information on the GR 1911 site, so if anyone has any better records, maybe they can have a look for me or otherwise its back to ordering certificates, which is becoming quite expensive and time consuming.........thanks Steve

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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BALL, Charles Head Married M 27 1884 Motor Bus Driver London Islington VIEW
BALL, Linda Wife Married
2 years F 31 1880 London Deptford VIEW
BALL, Arthur Son M 1 1910 London St Pancras VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9654 Reference:
RG14PN9654 RG78PN513B RD188 SD9 ED21 SN216

Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
North Leyton Enumeration District:
21 Parish:
Low Leyton

Address:
36 Bloxhall Road Leyton County:
Essex

I must stop putting London as the place.

thanks Madmeg, i have this info but cant find them on previous census

I found a Gilbert C Ball b1912 and a Floradora L Ball b1919, both mothers maiden name was Lishman, and both were born in W Ham. Do you think a possibility they could be siblings of Arthur?

For info:

Marriages Sep 1908 (>99%)
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BALL Charles Ernest Pancras 1b 213
PATRICK Linda Maud C Pancras 1b 213

this should make Linda 28 when she got married, so poss she did marry before and this is her first married name, but im only speculating !

The only way to find out who Linda was for sure is to get their marriage certificate !!

But your detective work seems good. You just need to go a little farther. And it is infinitely better to copy the records than to describe them; that's what we are used to seeing.


marriage:
Name: Linda Lishman
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Greenwich
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
groom on page: Charles Patrick


birth:
Name: *Linda Maude C* Lishman
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Greenwich
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 958