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Births Mar 1844
PENFOUND Thomasine Emma Stoke Damerel 9 499

Matches age 39 in early 1884.

Remote possible:

Deaths Mar 1884 (>99%)
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Lishman Emma Townsend 39 Greenwich 1d 594

this is great, i have to go know, but i will check all the new info we've found tonight and go through the census records, and be back on here tommorrow to see if any new news, If any more info can be found on Charles Ball it would be much appreciated, thanks for your time Janey and Madmeg........Steve

Name Linda Lishman
Age 2
Estimated Year of Birth 1879
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Address 10, Hood Street
District Greenwich, St Paul Deptford
Parish St Paul Deptford
Administrative County Kent
Birth Place Deptford
Birth County Kent


just trying the copy and pasting

Here we are in 1871 -- Samson is a fine old Devon/Cornwall (more Cornwall) name:

John R Lishman 30 - Coast Guard
Samson E Lishman 27
Emily E A B Lishman 7
Leopold Lishman 3
Civil parish: Worth Matravers
Town: Worth
County/Island: Dorset
Registration district: Wareham

Oh. Except that "Samson" is his wife, really Tamsen, I'd say. That makes her this one from the first marriage:

Penfound Thomasine Emma

1901, John, Elizabeth and Lola are together in Deptford. John shows as born in Devonport c1840 again.

Not finding him in 1851 or 1861 or a marriage before the birth of Linda.

Okay, this is his birth:

Births Sep 1840
Lishman John Rufus Stoke Damerel 9 390

(Stoke Damerel does = Devonport; a whole branch of my family mixes them up too)

So he married twice:

Marriages Sep 1865
> Lishman John Rufus Plymouth 5B 514
DALLINGER Emma
Penfound Thomasine Emma

Marriages Dec 1886
LISHMAN John Rufus Bethnal Green 1c 357
HOWARD Elizabeth

and only Linda's birth certificate would say who her mother was.


Nope, the 1881 census will say: ;)

John Lishman 40
> Emma Lishman 36
Edith Lishman 16
Leopold Lishman 13
Linda M. Lishman 2
Lola Lishman
Civil parish: Deptford St Paul


The kids' names *might* suggest Jewish parents, but I suspect they were just trendy. John is a labourer and the various neighbours in 81/91/01 don't seem Jewish, for what that's worth.

thanks for copy and pasting tip

There were actually loads of Patricks in the area. Try what I just did on spec: search for births in Greenwich reg dist 1899-1908. Many. Might be originally Irish but well settled in the area.

Actually -- check your records! -- John Lishman in the 1891 was born in Devon c1840.

Lishman sounds Jewish !

Again speculating, but Patrick sounds like an Irish name, could there be a poss that they split and Charles Patrick went to Ireland. I prob just got an over active imaganation lol

Yup. This is Linda in 1891:

Name: Linda Lishman
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Where born: Deptford, Kent, England

> Civil parish: St Paul Deptford
County/Island: London
Registration district: Greenwich

John Lishman 57
Elizabeth Lishman 52
Linda Lishman 12
Lola Lishman 9


Exotic names for the times!

Can't find her in 1901.


Oh - copy & paste.

Put your mouse at the beginning of what you want to copy.
Press and hold down the left button.
Move your mouse over the text you want to copy; it will turn blue.
Let go of the left button.
Click the right button and select "copy" in the menu that appears.
Then left-click your mouse in the space where you want to put the text.
Click the right button and select "paste" in the menu that appears.

Bob will then be your uncle.

Thank you Janey, am I right in thinking Deptford is in Greenwich. If you dont mind me asking where did you get this record. So there is a poss that Gilbert and Floradora that I found in previous thread could be Arthur's siblings...............Janey how do I copy the information on records onto these threads

I can't see Linda or Charles Patrick in 1901.

I also checked the IY to see whether Charles might have been in the Anglo-Boer war and possibly killed there, but no result.

http://www.britishmedals.us/files/iyp.htm

And I don't see another death for Charles Patrick.

SNAP Janey.

Only just come to this thread, so will dig a little more.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Linda Maude C Lishman
Name: Linda Maude C Lishman
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Greenwich
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 958 (click to see others on page)

This is the only Linda Maud or Linda C I can find in London.

The only way to find out who Linda was for sure is to get their marriage certificate !!

But your detective work seems good. You just need to go a little farther. And it is infinitely better to copy the records than to describe them; that's what we are used to seeing.


marriage:
Name: Linda Lishman
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Greenwich
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
groom on page: Charles Patrick


birth:
Name: *Linda Maude C* Lishman
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Greenwich
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 958

this should make Linda 28 when she got married, so poss she did marry before and this is her first married name, but im only speculating !

For info:

Marriages Sep 1908 (>99%)
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BALL Charles Ernest Pancras 1b 213
PATRICK Linda Maud C Pancras 1b 213

I found a Gilbert C Ball b1912 and a Floradora L Ball b1919, both mothers maiden name was Lishman, and both were born in W Ham. Do you think a possibility they could be siblings of Arthur?

thanks Madmeg, i have this info but cant find them on previous census