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I don't know how you settled on the Arthur Ball aged 2 in an institution in Hackney.

There are two results for

Arthur Ball
born 1910 +/- 1 year in Pancras

HOUSEHOLD BALL ARTHUR 1910 1 St Giles London
HOUSEHOLD BALL ARTHUR 1910 1 West Ham Essex

Steven, as I said in your new thread

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1208903

**the information about Arthur Ball is in this thread**

Specifically: he was born AFTER March 1909 -- his death record gives a DOB of June 9, 1909.

He will therefore likely appear in the 1911 census as aged *one*, not two, as he would not yet have had his second birthday.

Accordingly, the Arthur Ball in an institution in Hackney, aged 2, is much less likely to be your Arthur than an Arthur shown as aged 1 / born 1910 would be.

Sometimes it's possible to avoid obtaining certificates to get the information you are looking for, which would appear to be Arthur's parents' names. Sometimes it isn't.

I found that a Willam Watson married a Florence Chalkley in 1913 in Bethnal Green on the FreeBMD search, looks promising, but i guess i'll have to get the marriage cert to be sure

Thanks everyone for your help, i will look through freeBMD, and if no help will order the wedding cert

Are you taking on board the advice about getting the Ball+Watson marriage certificate, Steven?

Anything done without that is going to be guesswork. The only way of determining her identity is by getting the info that the certificate will give: her full name, her age at marriage, her marital status and her father's name.

This Florence L Ball died in the same place, at almost the same time, as Arthur Ball:

Name: Florence Lilian Ball
Birth Date: 17 Feb 1909
Death Registration Month/Year: 1977
Registration district: Waltham Forest
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 15
Page: 0888

Births Mar 1909 ??
Watson Florence Lilian Downham 4b 301

I'm basing that she was born in west ham after getting information from my uncle, although not 100 %

Before 1911, middle names were included in birth (and marriage) registrations -- but starting in 1911, only middle initials were.

There's no Florence Louise Watson birth 1900-1910.

These would be a couple of possibles with middle initial L -- you can do the same searching at FreeBMD:

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Births Sep 1911
Watson Florence L Jones Brentford 3a 384

Births Jun 1913
Watson Florence L Chalkley Bethnal G. 1c 281

The best thing really would be to get the marriage certificate.

If her father was, say, John Watson, you could then see whether there was a John Watson marriage to a Jones or a Chalkley to match one of those births.

Im very sorry that my written English and my keyboard skills aren't up to scratch

Exactly why I posted the marriage details as it could have been either "i" or "l"

No reason to suggest she was born anywhere near where she married.

With the marriage cert she could have been 16 or 36 or 60 when she married or even already a widow or divorced when she married in 1933

sorry its florence L watson. think the L is louise, i dont yet know when she died but the death record for arthur ball looks correct

Since Steven opted not to use capital letters, I read

florence l watson

as meaning

Florence L Watson

rather than

Florence I Watson.

Florence *L* Watson is the name on the marriage.

There really are reasons for the shift key on the keyboard, and for using it -- and the fact that capital "i" and small "L" look identical in the font used at this site, and that people expect a middle initial to be an upper-case letter, not a lower-case letter, is just one. I think Jonesey has been led astray and had some time wasted.

"i think she was born in 1911 poss in w. ham"
-- Can you tell us what that's based on? If she was, and it was after March 1911, she won't be in the census. Best idea seems to be to get the marriage certificate to learn her father's name, for searching the 1911 census.


This seems to be the husband's death:

Name: Arthur John H Ball
Birth Date: 9 Jun 1909
Death Registration Month/Year: 1977
Registration district: Waltham Forest
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 15
Page: 1021

Births Sep 1909
BALL Arthur John H Pancras 1b 75


Do you know when Florence died? The death record would give an idea of her age, and possibly give her date of birth.

Just for info

Marriages Jun 1933 (>99%)
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Ball Arthur J H Watson W.Ham 4a 265
Jones Richard J Sweeney W.Ham 4a 265
Sweeney Louisa A J Jones W.Ham 4a 265
Watson Florence L Ball W. Ham 4a 265


I presume you do not have the marriage cert for her age and name of her father etc

looking for Arthur J H Ball born 1909 in Pancras