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This may be some thing -- may be nothing but I feel worth a look into

but you do need to get a copy of " Freda's " marriage

from the 1911 census

living at 53 Gresham road , Middlesborough. Yorkshire [ North Riding]

Margaret Trousdale wd 42y born M H Pool Durham
Lora [Ida] Mary Trousdale 22y born " "
Freda Emily Trousdale 20y born " "
Herbert [Abraham Herbert R ] Trousdale 18y born Stokesly Yorks.
he died WW1 Aug 1917 son of Mrs M Trousdale of 163 Albert Road , Middlesborough.

Ida Mary born Jun Q 1889 w Hartlepool
Alfreda Emily born Mar Q 1891 w Hartlepool

Margaret Booth 1867/68 dau of Thomas Booth 1836/34 a blacksmith or shipsmith

Margaret Booth = Alfred Ernest Trousdale Dec Q 1888 Stockton Durham
10a 114 he died 1892 28y father is Abraham

I can find no further proof of what happened to either Ida Mary or Alfreda/Freda Emily as Trousdale's --- no deaths or marriages. !!!!!!

would be nice if some one else could look at this and give an opinion.

Mavis

If you obtain her marriage cert, you'll learn at least her full names, and, as I said before, her father's details (hopefully).

Assuming you wish to pursue this, of course.................

Thank you for looking.. I wasn't sure if I had just missed the record. I had looked on ancestry and freebmd. She appears on my grandfather's birth certificate as Freda E Burgess. Years ago when my father spoke to some of her children, they referred to her as Freda. Nobody has ever mentioned that she was born abroad but I suppose it is possible.

This is the probable marriage of the couple posted some time ago from 1911 census...so you can discount that, as indicated by Ann.

Marriages Dec 1910 (>99%)
Hebdon Freda Bradford 9b 284
Hollas Albert Bradford 9b 284
Jackson Arthur Bradford 9b 284
Padgett Lottie Bradford 9b 284

Freda was not really a Victorian name............have you considered that her birth might be registered as Winifred?

There is nothing on freebmd.....nor can I see her in 1911.

Perhaps she was born somewhere other than England/Wales?

'ms' is Scottish.........in England/Wales the abbreviation is MN.........and before you ask, it means maiden name.

Where have you looked for the birth?

Have you obtained her marriage cert......to find out her father's name (if she knew him)?

Attempting to make progress tracing family tree after a break. I can't seem to find a birth registration for Freda Emily Burgess born around 1891. Can anyone shed any light?

Hi Ann, Did you have any luck?
I have since been told that Freda placed my grandfather into an orphanage as she couldn't make enough money to look after them both. Not sure if I could trace that line of enquiry... Zoe

hello Zoe,

ms..........maiden surname..........not sure why I put the "n" must have been tired!



Will have a look at the chap Christine posted and get back with the details.

Ann

Ignore my ignorance.. still getting to grips with this family tree research..
What does msn Hebden mean?

This is possibly the Arthur Jackson whose death I found in 1911 census but I don't have a subscription to see his occupation and household.

HOUSEHOLD JACKSON MR ARTHUR M 1885 26 Sculcoates Yorkshire East Riding (with York)

Christine

Zoe,

Had a look at the original doc of the Arthur/Freda 1911 census, says married under 1 year, checked on BMD and looks like this Freda may be msn HEBDEN

Ann

There is this death which could be Arthur but it's after her marriage.

Deaths Mar 1916 (>99%)
Jackson Arthur 30 Sculcoates 9d 188

Christine

We have often wondered about that.. On the birth certificate it lists her as Freda Jackson, formerly Burgess..
I know very little I am afraid.. I think her middle name was Emily but apart from that, nothing!

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
Name: Freda E Abson
Death Registration Month/Year: 1934
Age at death (estimated): 43
Registration district: Goole
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 1039



which means she was born about 1891

Do you have her marriage cert to Francis Absom?

It would appear that she wasn't married before as she should have married in the name Jackson.

Christine

Ralph's birth registration shows father's surname as Jackson and mother's maiden surname as Burgess, which would mean that she didn't marry Arthur Jackson, because she married again as Freda E Burgess.

I can't find her on the 1911 census. Have you any idea where she was born and when ?

Ann, That sounds quite promising.. I know it's impossible to be certain but the Arthur Jackson you found was a drayman and on my grandfather's birth certificate it lists Arthur as being a rullyman.. i think these two jobs are very similiar.
I think i will have to go with a pinch of estimated guess work as nobody in my family knows anything about him!

Yep that is him.. Ralph William Jackson.. Sculcoates.. Before he died some of his half brothers and sisters got in touch with him.. We knew that Freda married again but haven't been able to find any information about Arthur.. At one point we didn't even think that Arthur and Freda had married.
Thanks for having a look for me.

What was your grandfather's name ? Was his surname Jackson ?


Is this him ?


Births Dec 1914 (>99%)
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JACKSON Ralph W Burgess Sculcoates 9d 230