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FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 21 Mar 2010 23:09

I changed my first name at 12 yrs old,it is on every thing.passport,Drivers license(never can spell that)Marriage,kids birth certs...

I was known as mrs E... for yrs but was never married to Mr E....

I am now known as my maiden name ,not my married name..
Its not illegal as long as I dont do it to swindle peeps..!


Edit.
I am now convinced that your father was the child of the woman he called Mum and that Mary Jane and Dorothy ARE the same person..!
Also Mary Jane didnt marry until 1936?
Where was your father from his birth until then.?
An unmarried woman that young is unlikely to take on anothers child I would have thought?

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 21 Mar 2010 23:04

And you say Paul......

At this point may I just say then, that I have recently come into contact with my dad's half sister (whom I found through this site) and she states catagorically that at no time did she ever hear her father (William Usher) call her mother (Mary Jane) mary.... he always called her "Dot".


WHOOPEEEEE

My mad wild theory is prob nearer than I thought then......

Legal docs...
Who is to know ?Its done all the time.
You can call yourself anything you like as long as it is not for fraudulent means...

Paul

Paul Report 21 Mar 2010 23:02

But would she be allowed to do that on a legal document??? Where my Dad's mother is named as Dorothy Patrick??

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 21 Mar 2010 23:02

So wild theory time now...

Mary Jane goes off to be servant in London,decides to take a more "modern"forename.
Gets pregant somewhere between London and Worcs to someone called William Henry Preece?
Regs the birth of her baby to Dorothy Patrick and uses dads surname as her maiden namae??

Then later decides to change back to Mary Jane Patrick and "adopt"her own son..
All tidy and respectable like to the neighbours then??

LiverBird1

LiverBird1 Report 21 Mar 2010 23:00

Maybe she was legally Mary Jane but was known as Dorothy maybe she just prefered that name??

Paul

Paul Report 21 Mar 2010 22:57

At this point may I just say then, that I have recently come into contact with my dad's half sister (whom I found through this site) and she states catagorically that at no time did she ever hear her father (William Usher) call her mother (Mary Jane) mary.... he always called her "Dot". I found that confusing as I none of my certificates state "Mary Jane Dorothy".... just Mary Jane!!

LiverBird1

LiverBird1 Report 21 Mar 2010 22:56

Yeah FBG I don't see anything that could be Dorothy in 1901, and I can't for the life of me find Mary /Jane Patrick in 1911, I think you could be right, well done!

Wonder why the change of name??

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 21 Mar 2010 22:53

Yes..
I am decidedly leaning that way with also trying to stack up the evidence to prove it..

Cassies (LB) verdict I still await...

Paul

Paul Report 21 Mar 2010 22:52

Forgive my ignorance, ladies, are you saying Mary Jane and Dorothy could be the same person?

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 21 Mar 2010 22:48

I think there is a good possibility Cass,what do you think?
That is the only record I can find for Dorothy Patrick anywhere at the moment..

And Mary Jane has gone somewhere in 1911,but not on the census that I can find,can you?

LiverBird1

LiverBird1 Report 21 Mar 2010 22:46

So is this Dorothy the mary Jane from the 1901?

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 21 Mar 2010 22:41

But interestingly we have a DOROTHY PATRICK on 1911

PATRICK, Dorothy Servant Single F 19 1892 Servant Domestic Worcester Worcestershire
Registration District:
Fulham Sub District:
South Hammersmith EnumerationDistrict:
35 Parish:
Hammersmith

Address:
15 Aynhoe Road Brook Green W

and no corresponding on 1901?
And no birth for Dorothy Patrick in Worcestershire??

And no MARY jANE ON 1911?
And no marriage for her before then that could possibly be her..

Am I on the right track ladies?

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 21 Mar 2010 22:37

Ok LB~~~~~

Address:
2 Ruby Cottages Wilton Road Malvern

PATRICK, Sarah Head Single M 50 1861 Charwoman Blackheath Staffs
PATRICK, Phoebe Sister Single F 46 1865 Nonr Blackheath Staffs

No Mary Jane though !

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 21 Mar 2010 22:35

So where is she in 1911 then???
Come on Jan and LB,any ideas?

LiverBird1

LiverBird1 Report 21 Mar 2010 22:35

1911

HOUSEHOLD PATRICK SARAH M 1861 50 Upton on Severn Worcestershire

HOUSEHOLD PATRICK PHOEBE F 1865 46 Upton on Severn Worcestershire

LiverBird1

LiverBird1 Report 21 Mar 2010 22:25

Name: Mary Jane Patrick
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Worcester
County: Hereford and Worcester, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 286


1901 England Census
about Jane Patrick
Name: Jane Patrick
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: St John, Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Great Malvern
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Upton on Severn
Sub-registration district: Malvern
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 313
Household Members: Name Age
George Whatmore 75 >>>>>>>>>Living on own means, born St Johns, Wors, widow
Sarah Patrick 40 >>>>>>>>Niece, single born Staffs
Jane Patrick 9



Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2784; Folio: 183; Page: 47


1881 England Census
about Sarah Patrick
Name: Sarah Patrick
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Blackheath, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Great Malvern
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street Address: Chase Estate
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Servant

Registration district: Upton On Severn
Sub-registration district: Hanley Castle
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Whatmore 54
Mary Whatmore 55
Sarah Patrick 19


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2920; Folio: 131; Page: 48; GSU roll: 1341700.

1871 England Census
about Sarah Patrick
Name: Sarah Patrick
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Jesse
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Rowley Regis
Ecclesiastical parish: Rowley Regis
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Rowley Regis
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 110
Household Members: Name Age
Jesse Patrick 40
Jane Patrick 39
Mary Patrick 12
Sarah Patrick 10
Phoebe Patrick 5<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Jesse Patrick 15 days
Ann Slim 24



Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2992; Folio: 116; Page: 19; GSU roll: 838871.

Paul

Paul Report 21 Mar 2010 22:25

Sorry FBG... missed your earlier question. Mary Jane Usher was 70 when she died in Ronkswood Hospital, Worcester, 14th June 1962. On the marriage certificate she is stated as 45 years of age - spinster - father not listed. Interestingly her father is not listed on her birth cert either (Mary Jane Patrick - St. John's , Worcester - 4th August 1891).

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 21 Mar 2010 22:17

How old was Mary Jane ?
Fathers name etc..
Maybe we can find her on a census with a brother William Henry?

If you havent already that is..

Paul

Paul Report 21 Mar 2010 22:15

Thank you FBG... I already have this certificate. The names listed are.... William Henry Usher (no mention of Patrick) and Mary Jane Patrick. Yes, the marriage is registered in Upton and yes, I do believe it is a different William Henry!!!

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 21 Mar 2010 22:08

Interesting...

Marriages Dec 1936

Patrick Mary J Usher Upton 6c 503
Usher William H Patrick Upton 6c 503

Another William Henry(but Usher this time)??


When and where did Mary Jane Usher die?

??

Name: Mary J Usher
Death Registration Month/Year: 1962
Age at death (estimated): 70
Registration district: Worcester
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 9d
Page: 285