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I'm stuck with just one strand of the family: my gg grandmother.
Maud Baker (b. 05.10.1887 (in Deptford according to the 1911 census)) is a mystery until she got married to Joseph Davi(e)s in 1907. D.O.B. is on death record but I can't match her on Free BMD or get birth cert.
Her father, Robert, was a taxi driver.
She married Albert Woodhead in 1959 when Joseph Davis died.
There are connections with Kent, London and Keighley, West Yorkshire.
Any clues? I need to find her birth so I can trace her parents.

Just checking - this is their marriage>

Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%)
Baker Maud Keighley 9a 359
DAVIES Joseph Keighley 9a 359
HAGGAS William Keighley 9a 359
SPENCER Sara Keighley 9a 359

And 1911:

DAVIS, Joseph Head Married M 22 1889 Labourer In Foundry Keighley Yorkshire VIEW
DAVIS, Maud Wife Married
3 years F 23 1888 Deptford in County Kent VIEW
DAVIS, Charlotte Daughter F 2 1909 Keighley Yorkshire VIEW
DAVIS, Elizabeth Daughter F 1 1910 Keighley Yorkshire VIEW

Registration District:
Keighley Sub District:
Keighley EnumerationDistrict:
40 Parish:
Keighley

Address:
18 Harcourt St Keighley County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

Fits your info but not sure obviously:


1891 England Census
about Maud P Baker
Name: Maud P Baker
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Deptford, Kent, England

Civil parish: St Nicholas
Ecclesiastical parish: Deptford St Nicholas
Town: Deptford
County/Island: London

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas Deptford

Mary Baker 37
Frances E Baker 16
Maud P Baker 5

You need to start with her marriage certificate, which will state her father's name -- if she knew it, and if she reported it correctly.

This birth matches the Maud in the 1891 census, but the only way to know whether she's yours is to match the father's name to the one on the mrge cert.

Births Jun 1885
Baker Maud Primrose Greenwich 1d 994

Deptford was in Greenwich registration district.


... Nope. That is the only Maud Primrose Baker birth in the index, and this looks like her marriage:

Marriages Mar 1907
BAKER Maud Primrose Poplar 1c 878
ENRIGHT Monica Poplar 1c 878
Horlick Charles Henry Poplar 1c 878
O'Keeffe John Poplar 1c 878

-- she married Charles Horlick; they're together in Greenwich in 1911.

Thanks all. That's good work, and correct about the marriage to Joseph, but I've kind of already been down that path and it turns out to be no real help unfortunately.

I requested the birth cert of the most likely Maud with the proviso that the father's name was Robert (that's what it says on the marriage cert with Joseph Davis). But it wasn't.

It's frustrating to have the date of birth but not be able to find her birth record.

She may not have been born Maud of course. And Deptford (on the 1911 census) might be a red herring. Family has also mentioned Hayes in Middlesex as a place she lived.

Tantalisingly, parish birth records show a Sarah Baker (Maud's sister?) with parents Robert and Charlotte in 1897. This Robert is a cab driver. On Maud's marriage cert in 1959 it says her father's called Robert and he's a taxi driver. This Robert and Charlotte do seem to have also had a daughter called Maud, but she's not there on the 1901 census at age 13-ish and I can't find a death.

I feel like I'm missing some crucial clever thought that will lead me to the answer! It's driving me mad. I'm in contact with her grandson who lived with her for a while but he has no memory of anything. Even her mother's first name would help but no, he knows nothing. Perhaps I could have him hypnotised...

Thanks for looking the stuff up chaps, but I fear I may need Hercule Poirot on this one.

Just a tip - it would have been nice to know those various tidbits from the outset. The marriage certificate details, of course. And also the 1901 census possibility, since match looks quite good and it would have been useful for pondering/searching for Maud's whereabouts.

It's really quite frustrating to have spent time searching and learn there was info available but not disclosed.

So for info, this is the potential household in 1891?


Name: Maude Baker
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Acton
Town: Acton
County/Island: Middlesex
Registration district: Brentford

Robert Baker 24 - bricklayer
Charlotte Baker 24
Maude Baker 3


and in 1901

Name: Roberta Baker
[Robert A Baker]
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Charlotte
Where born: Ealing, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Acton

Roberta Baker 35 - labourer
Charlotte Baker 34
John H Baker 9
Sarah E Baker 4


Ah. You're the one who has corrected the transcription. Dang.


No cab driver though?


That couple would be this marriage:

Marriages Sep 1886
> Baker Robert Allam Brentford
> HUCKELL Charlotte Brentford
SAVILL George James Brentford
Sutton Mary Brentford 3a 132

Thanks Janey. That's the household that looks sort of likely, very likely even, and yet could be completely wrong. If only the earlier Maud hadn't vanished. I'm sorry I didn't tell you enough to start with. There is another lone Maud in 1901 in a workhouse, but I can't think of any reason why she would be there if her family are alive.
I appreciate your efforts. Finding Maud in 1901 is probably the key to this.

Could I just ask when Maud died.

Sal

Maud Woodhead (previously Davis, nee Baker) died in 1970 in Keighley. Don't know the exact date but it doesn't really matter at this stage I don't think.

The age is out but I think this is that Maud.

1901

Name: Maud A Baker
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation: Granddaughter
>>> Where born: Britford, Middlesex, England [Brentford, of course]

Name: John Baker
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma
>>> Where born: Brentford, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Stainforth
Town: Stainforth
>>> County/Island: Yorkshire

John Baker 60
Emma Baker 60
Maud A Baker 17
Ada Baker 15



And I'm thinking she is indeed a good candidate.

I think it's the year of birth on the death cert that is out -- not an uncommon occurrence for people born pre 1900.

- edit - also, checking back, I see that 1884 would have made her a good bit older than her first husband (on the hypothesis she was), and women often dissembled in that situation.

Births Mar 1884
Baker Maud Amy Brentford 3a 115


This does leave the problem of the parents' marriage being apparently after that birth -- but in 1884 they would have been 17ish - ?

There was a reason I asked, I found this and it is only a submitted record and may be a possibility.

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
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MAUD BAKER
Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
11 OCT 1891 Rochester, Kent, England
Christening:
Death:
10 FEB 1970
Burial:

Parents:
Father: ROBERT JAMES BAKER
Family
Mother: MINNIE BUTCHER

Messages:
Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The form lists the submitter's name and address and may include source information. The address may be outdated. Details vary. To find the form, you must know the batch and sheet number.

Source Information:
Batch Number: 8232330
Sheet: 37

Not all the information matches with what you have though.

As she died after 1969, her place of birth should be recorded on her death certificate, ....if known by the informant, of course.

Gwyn

Staffslass's couple, for the pot:

Marriages Sep 1890
Baker Robert James Malling 2a 1034
BUTCHER Minnie Malling 2a 1034

Marriages Sep 1890

Baker Robert James ..Malling 2a 1034
BUTCHER Minnie ..Malling 2a 1034

Now to find out Robert's occupation.......

Gwyn

Again, for the record


Name: Maud Woodhead
>>> Birth Date: 5 Dec 1887 -- not October?
Death Registration Month/Year: 1970
Registration district: Worth Valley
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2c
Page: 126


A December birth was often registered in January of the following year.

>As she died after 1969, her place of birth should be recorded on her death certificate, ....if known by the informant, of course.

Ah. I didn't know that. Might get the death cert then.

The IGI thing is interesting too, certainly. Especially if the DOB is wrong on the death record.

Could it be so far out though I wonder...

Thanks

This seems to be my 1901 Yorkshire Bakers (whom I am quite fond of) in 1891

Name: Ada Baker
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation: Granddaughter
Where born: Gimmmersbury, London, England

Civil parish: Clarborough
Town: Moorgate
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Registration district: East Retford

John Baker 50 - born Islington - joiner as in 1901
Emma Baker 55 - born Brentford
Ada Baker 5


Problem is, in 1871 and 1881 they have only one child: son Frederick J, born c1863 in Chiswick.

Again this is a submitted record and concerns the parents of the Maud I found but I still haven't found Sarah yet.

FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles
Family Group Record
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Husband

Robert James BAKER
Pedigree


Birth: 09 FEB 1868
Christening:
Marriage: 27 SEP 1890 West Malling, Kent, England
Death: 13 SEP 1900
Burial:

Wife

Minnie Butcher
Pedigree


Birth: 25 OCT 1864 Hollow Bottom, Bromley, Kent, England
Christening:
Marriage: 27 SEP 1890 West Malling, Kent, England
Death: 10 SEP 1938
Burial:


Children

If the Maud I found is yours then you have additional information if it is not then back the drawing board.

Sal

Does the marriage cert say if her father was deceased?