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Cannot find a birth with matcing parents but there is a chance that his mother could have passed and his father remarried but records are sketchy back then to say the least. Can find nothing for Francis whatsoever.

this looks like their son
27/08/1839 ARMSTRONG ALEXANDER ALEXANDER ARMSTRONG/ESTHER PATISON FR182 M MIDDLEBIE /DUMFRIES 841/ 0020 0082 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

Thanks Jackie for his wife's name. I did find in
1851 census. his brother Francis was living with him and he had two daughters - Ann and Mary, there too BUT THEY WERE BORN IN AMERICA!!. I see Alexander was born in Castle Douglas. I am assuming its the right family - what do you think
Alexr Armstrong
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Castle Douglas, Kircudbright
Parish Number: 821
Civil parish: Dumfries
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Sandy Knowe Bar
Occupation: Tole Keeper
ED: 1A
Page: 9 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 27
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1851_206
Household Members: Name Age
Alexr Armstrong 50
Mary Armstrong 18
Anne Armstrong 16
Francis Armstrong 47

Alexander Armstrong died on 18 Nov 1879 noted as widower of Esther Patty or Potty parents George Armstrong farmer and proprietor dec Mary Armstrong m.s Bell dec he is listed as 79

death was registered by a neighbour who it says was present at time of death Andrew Little. death took place at West Craigs nd was registered in Middlebie

Hi Barbara

I cannot see anything for either of them. Strangely enough though there is no births showing with female Mary Bell but plenty with a Margaret Bell but given the way they seemed to change their names when it suited it could be the right parents will have anothr wee look

Jackie

Thanks for that Jackie - just wanted to make sure that Thomas died in Middlebie. Obviously they left off deceased on the marriage cert. Thanks so much for checking for me.
I wonder if I could be cheeky and ask you to look up two of Thomas' brothers
Alexander Armstrong - born abt. 1800
Francis Armstrong - born abt 1813
- obviously in Middlebie, Dumfriesshir - would be son of George and ? Bell
Thanks

Barbara
Sorry I should have posted place of death it was Middlebie in the column that gives time and place it actually said Craigs which I am assuming could be the name of the farm as it has West Craigson Jane's death cert . It does have on Thomas's death cert the word 'present' next to the son's name so I think that he was actually with his father at the time of his death.

Jackie

Morning Jacqueline - your were up late! Thanks so much for the info. Am a bit puzzled as on Jane Armstrongs Marriage cert to William Carter (on 10 Oct 1881 in Hammersmith) - its says Father - Thomas Armstrong - farmer. I see you have found that he died in Jan 1881. I expect they omitted ......deceased. On Scot records - does it say where Thomas died - was it Middlebie? Wonder why the son in Hammersmith reg the death when I'm sure there were other family around if it was Middlebie.
The son, William, lived at 2 Down Place, Hammersmith as that is Jane's residence at time of marriage.
All these unanswered questions!!!!

Jane's death
Middlebie Dumfries
Jane Armstrong widow of Thomas Armstrong land owner died on 17 March 1893
age noted as 80
parents George Little Castor(Master)dec
Jane Little m.s Beattie (dec)
death reg by Francis Armstrong son

Thomas's death

1881
Jan 18th
Thomas Armstrong farmer and land proprietor married to Jane Little
parents noted as George Armstrong land proptietor dec and Mary Armstrong m/s Bell (dec)
age is noted as 63
birth was reg by William Armstrong son address looks like 2 Devon Place Hammersmith London

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Moody Blue - you are a star
Thanks for that

possible birth ref for Jane Littlle:

No Date Surname Forename Parent Names/Frame No. Sex Parish City/County GROS Data Image Extract

05/08/1821 LITTLE JANE JOSEPH LITTLE/ANNE JARDINE FR144 F MIDDLEBIE /DUMFRIES 841/ 0020 0006 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

Scrap the 1841 census in previous thread...............here is the correct one:-


1841 Scotland Census
about Thos Armstrong
Name: Thos Armstrong
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Gender: Male
Where born: Dumfriesshire, Scotland

Civil parish: Middlebie
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Craigs
Parish Number: 841
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos Armstrong 24
Jane Armstrong 20
Wm Armstrong 3
Walter Armstrong 1

Thats interesting, Thomas being an ag lab in 1841. Obviously the farm wasn't passed down to him - maybe he married into a family with a farm - Jane Little's family. Surely in those days an ordinary ag lab wouldn't be able to buy a farm......maybe he leased West Craigs. All very interesting.
Thanks so much for the 41/51 census. Such a big help

Thomas in 1851:


1851 Scotland Census
about Thomas Armstrong
Name: Thomas Armstrong
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlebie, Dumfriesshire
Parish Number: 841
Civil parish: Middlebie
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: West Craigs
Occupation: Farmer Of 20 Acres
ED: 7
Page: 8 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 23
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1851_209
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Armstrong 34
Jane Armstrong 41
William Armstrong 13
Walter Armstrong 11
George Armstrong 9
Mary Armstrong 6
Thomas Armstrong 2

and in 1841?


1841 Scotland Census
about Thomas Armstrong
Name: Thomas Armstrong
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Gender: Male
Where born: Dumfriesshire, Scotland

Civil parish: Durisdeer
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Out House
Occupation: Ag Lab
Parish Number: 823
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George Wilson 30
Catherine Wilson 30
Jannet Wilson 2
Jame Patterson 70
Thomas Patterson 8 Mo
Mary Shankland 20
Margret Johnston 20
Elizabeth Dalzel 20
Mary Carrithers 15
Dugal Tod 25
>>>>>>>>>>Thomas Armstrong 24 Ag Lab
Alexander Williamson 17
John Selpher 10

Yes - its is certainly looking good. There are those family names Alexander and Francis - they have come down through the family.
I really REALLY appreciate your help
Wow am on a roll now!!!!
Thanks a million everyone for your input

Yes - its coming together now - must be the family I'm looking for. Well done to you Moody Blue. The brothers obviously working together - the ages certainly fit .
Thanks so much for your help
Barbara

I'd say the info from the 1871 census .... for the Armstrong brothers

and the 1871 census .... for Jane

Matching up.

Is looking good !

Could this be Jane in 1871?


1871 England Census
about Jane Armstrong
Name: Jane Armstrong
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Dumfries, Scotland
Civil parish: Brampton
Town: Easby
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Brampton
Sub-registration district: Brampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5b
Household schedule number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Armstrong 71 Head
Francis Armstrong 68 brother
Jane Armstrong 19 niece