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many thanks for your time and effort everyone !

Brian

Honestly i have to agree...i would get your G/Dads B/C because though i can see births for Isabella & Joseph i can't see a marriage for them

TC Julie

I think you can scrub that ealier posting with the death of William Henry Land - he was born in Tiverton in 1902

There was a plain William Land born in Bradford in 1902???

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1902 (>99%)
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LAND William Bradford 9b 17



EDIT

Looking at the 1911 census he doen't look like yours either.

If that birth is correct then its a bit tight with the Edward Martin one i posted

It looks like that Edward Land on the 1911 census is the brother of Joseph John Land.

1901

Name: Edward J Land
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Bradford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Bradford West
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 249
Household Members: Name Age
Edward J Land 50
Sarah Land 31


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4158; Folio: 109; Page: 42.



1861 census

Name: Joseph Land
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Maria
Gender: Male
Where born: Norwich

Civil parish: Pockthorpe
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Norwich
Sub-registration district: East Wymer
ED, institution, or vessel: 16e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 218
Household Members: Name Age
John Land 44
Maria Land 48
Maria Land 22
William Land 20
Mary Ann Land 17
Elizabeth Land 13
Edward Land 11 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Joseph Land 9 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Harriett Land 6

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1213; Folio: 117; Page: 33; GSU roll: 542776.

Sorry - no Julie, I don't think he is one of Brians. Your Edward Martin birth is the only sure thing that has been found - well so far!!



Sorry - I need to go now, but will check back tomorrow.

many thanks...

just to add a little more info...josephs parents were i believe to be...(as my dad remembers)
maria knights and john land...which shows in the census above ?

Brian

You need to find out who Edwards parent were as thats the one that isn't adding up

I am hoping that someone with a subscription to the 1911 census will lokk this family up for us please. We need to know what relationship Edward (1902) is to the head of household.

HOUSEHOLD LAND EDWARD MARSH M 1902 9 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD LAND EDWARD M 1861 50 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD LAND JOHN WILLIE M 1903 8 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD LAND MARY F 1909 2 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD LAND SARAH F 1870 41 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding

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LAND, Sarah Head Married 11 years F 41 1870 Bradford Yorkshire VIEW
LAND, Edward Husband Married M 50 1861 Stuff Warehouseman Bradford Yorkshire VIEW
LAND, Edward Marsh Son M 9 1902 School Norwich VIEW
LAND, John Willie Son M 8 1903 School Bradford Yorkshire VIEW
LAND, Mary Daughter F 2 1909 Bradford Yorkshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
26796 Reference:
RG14PN26796 RG78PN1541 RD498 SD3 ED33 SN125

Registration District:
Bradford Sub District:
Manningham Enumeration District:
33 Parish:
Bradford

Address:
46 St Michaels Road Bradford County:
Yorkshire (West riding)


Dea x

P.S. - The style of writing does not follow a regular pattern and so it is very difficult to be sure but I don't think Edwards middle name is 'Marsh' and it is 'possible' that the image says 'Martin'

Dea x

Sarah on 1891 - looks good for 'Marsh' being 'Martin' !! - Her father was a Martin (from Ireland)

1891 England Census
about Sarah Conwell
Name: Sarah Conwell
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Martin
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Bradford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Bradford East End
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Martin Conwell 54 ...Stone Quarry Man......... b Ireland
Mary Conwell 48 ............... b Ireland
Sarah Conwell 21
Margaret Conwell 17



Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3625; Folio 159; Page 18; GSU roll: 6098735.

Dea x

Thank you so much Dea. The middle name we were looking for was indeed Martin!

So Brian you really need to buy that certificate as it still looks like Edward Martin Land's parents were Edward and Sarah not Joseph John and Isabella!

Hang on though, Rootgatherer !

The only thing that cert will prove is that the one we found was indeed the son of Edward & Sarah which I think is pretty well proved already ?

It will not prove that he is the same one that Brian is following.

I happen to think he is, but Brian seems quite sure about his birth year so there may 'possibly' be two ?

What we need is Edward Martin's marriage details - do you have them Brian?

Dea x

many thanks for all the hard work...sorry only just turned on the computer.
No i dont have the marriage details...i think i need to buy some certificates.
Wheres the best place for this...ive never bought one before ?
Brian

Brian, only buy your certificates from the GRO - it is free to register and you can order them online for £9.25 using the the year, volume and page numbers (from Freebmd). Let us know if you need help with the reference for Edward's marriage please.

Dea

I can only see the one birth for an Edward Martin Land. I was just wondering if he was actually the son of Edward or adopted son as Brian's father seems fairly certain that he was the son of Edward's brother Joseph John Land.

I am sure Brian will let us know when he gets the certificates, then all will be revealed!

Well, I have just thought to look at that death registration which Brian gave for Edwin - It does seem to prove that the birth Julie posted was the correct one:

Edward Martin Land
Birth Date: 28 Aug 1901 **********************
Death Registration Month/Year: 1969
Registration district: Weston-Super-Mare
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 7c
Page: 1156


Dea x

Yes, I think that is the correct birth Dea. Also there are no other births for Edward Martin Land on FreeBMD. I just think that from the census evidence that perhaps Brian's Dad has got mixed up about who Edward's parents were. It is good though that Brian is going to buy some certificates, that way he will have factual evidence!

many thanks...Rootgatherer,Dea and julie.... i will be ordering Edwards certificate...i will reply to this thread...when i have the certificate.

Brian
Is this Edward's marriage ??

Name: Edward M Land
Spouse Surname: Hodgkins
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1936
Registration district: Richmond
Registration county (inferred): Surrey, Yorkshire - North Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 1745
Find Spouse: Gladys M Hodgkins