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many thanks...

Sorry - no Julie, I don't think he is one of Brians. Your Edward Martin birth is the only sure thing that has been found - well so far!!



Sorry - I need to go now, but will check back tomorrow.

It looks like that Edward Land on the 1911 census is the brother of Joseph John Land.

1901

Name: Edward J Land
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Bradford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Bradford West
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 249
Household Members: Name Age
Edward J Land 50
Sarah Land 31


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4158; Folio: 109; Page: 42.



1861 census

Name: Joseph Land
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Maria
Gender: Male
Where born: Norwich

Civil parish: Pockthorpe
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Norwich
Sub-registration district: East Wymer
ED, institution, or vessel: 16e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 218
Household Members: Name Age
John Land 44
Maria Land 48
Maria Land 22
William Land 20
Mary Ann Land 17
Elizabeth Land 13
Edward Land 11 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Joseph Land 9 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Harriett Land 6

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1213; Folio: 117; Page: 33; GSU roll: 542776.

If that birth is correct then its a bit tight with the Edward Martin one i posted

I think you can scrub that ealier posting with the death of William Henry Land - he was born in Tiverton in 1902

There was a plain William Land born in Bradford in 1902???

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1902 (>99%)
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LAND William Bradford 9b 17



EDIT

Looking at the 1911 census he doen't look like yours either.

Brian

Honestly i have to agree...i would get your G/Dads B/C because though i can see births for Isabella & Joseph i can't see a marriage for them

TC Julie

many thanks for your time and effort everyone !

Brian

The only way forward, or in this case backwards, is to splash out and order that birth certificate! Then you can stand back and watch the brick wall crumble!!

While it is good to gather information from our parents and grandparents, it best just to treat it as a starting point. In most cases our grandparents wouldn't have known if either of both their parents had been married twice.

It you want you family tree to be accurate, order the certificate please.

When you get the certificate come back to this thread and we will try to help.

from what my dad can remember,with isabella maiden name.
also the same with joseph from my dad ?

Im struggling to find anything

Where have you Isabelles maiden name from cos i can't see a marriage

No i dont have his birth certificate,
All i no is that joseph john died while in the army in india.
The details are what i found,like you did.

This looks like the marriage for that couple on the 1911 census

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)
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Conwell Sarah Bradford, Y. 9b 239
Land Edward Bradford Y 9b 239



Perhaps someone with a sub. will look at the full entry - I am only using the free search facility.

I really don't think that they are the correct family though.

Where did you get Joseph John's name from if you don't have your grandfather's birth entry please?

Ive tried looking before for these family members and can never match anything so i thought i would ask the experts ! on here.

Brian - don't go away please!

Do you have Edward's birth certificate? If not then that is your first step.

When did Joseph John die please?

Have you found the boys on any 1901 census records please?

But it doesn't add up......

If Isabelle died in 1900 & your G/ father was born on 1901
also Rootgatherer has posted a death for William that has his birth in 1902

someone in the family did mention a family member mary,so maybe it is correct ?
many thanks everyone for helping me x

As far as im aware she was,my father never mention a second marriage

I wonder if they had been mistranscibed in 1911 - I can't see a birth for Edward Marsh Land

HOUSEHOLD LAND EDWARD MARSH M 1902 9 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD LAND EDWARD M 1861 50 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD LAND JOHN WILLIE M 1903 8 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD LAND MARY F 1909 2 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD LAND SARAH F 1870 41 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding



EDIT

Second thoughts - that looks a completely different family.

If this is Isabella death.....are you sure she was Edwards mum

Deaths Jun 1900 (>99%)
Land Isabella 36 Norwich 4b 96

Name: William Henry Land
Birth Date: 17 Jan 1902
Death Registration Month/Year: 1975
Registration district: Bristol
Inferred County: Avon
Volume: 22
Page: 1092