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I wouldn't hold your breath, Terry - the chances that someone will magically appear with the answers are unlikely, to say the least.

Its even more strange as I think Pikey maybe another name for Gypsy,go to google.

Maryb

Thank you Flick,just got to hope that someone will appear and give me the answers.

As the births of the children do not appear to have been registered, and there is no trace of a marriage, I rather fear you may never be able to find out.

It also seems that they eluded the 1881 census

thank you all for taking the time to help me,if I could find out Louisa maiden name it would be great,thanks again terry

Mary im sorry about that its all a bit confusing

Maybe Terry could have give us this info earlier!!!!!!!!.

I was thinking on the Gypsy line seeing as no birth records jumping out.

Maryb

This is the 1891 you mention - Robert's occupation is 'Minds machine'

It says alongside the entry "These are gipsies in transit"

Name: Robert Pikey
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Louisa
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol

Civil parish: Hendon
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Childs Hill
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England


Registration district: Hendon
Sub-registration district: Hendon
ED, institution, or vessel: 6b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Pikey 35
Louisa Pikey 33 born Epping Forest
Albert Pikey 16
Luiderville Pikey 14
Brilluess Pikey 12 --Beatrice?
Ranny Pikey 8 --Fanny?
Molly Pikey 4
Leonard Pikey 9/12

Hi Flick its Beatrice my nans mother,just to follow on from some comment Robert was down as Robert Pikey in 1891 with the other half of the children

Address in 1911 was 76, Shrewsbury Road, Harlesden

Terry

Which of Robert and Louisa's children is your direct line?

Thank you all for taking time to try and find out things,I wonder what Lousia maiden name was,Terry

No 1881 /1891 then.If they married in 1878 they should be together somewhere.
I wonder if they went under another name,especially as we can't find the relevant birth records.

A tree on Ancestry has some these children but only with the parent Louisa Hope and no mention of husband,although that doesn't mean anything as they have louisa born 1840 died1920.

Maryb

Was Lena Selina?

Name: Selina Agnes Hope
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 11 Mar 1898
Father's Name: Robert Hope
Mother's Name: Louisa Hope
Parish: St Dunstan, Acton
Borough: Ealing
County: Middlesex

No, I don't think so, address was Old Oak Common and father was a dealer.

Horace's birth?

Name: Algar Horace Hope
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 22 Feb 1903
Father's Name: Robert Hope
Mother's Name: Louisa Hope
Parish: St Matthew, Willesden
Borough: Brent
County: Middlesex

Address was 59 Leopold Rd. Father was an engineer.

I find it it VERY odd that I can't find births for any of the children

1911

HOPE, Robert Head Married
33 years M 53 1858 Engineer Repairer Farm Machicnes Summerset Bristol VIEW
HOPE, Louisa Wife Married
33 years F 51 1860 Hawker Essex Wansled VIEW
HOPE, Molly Daughter Single F 23 1888 Essex Edmundson VIEW
HOPE, Lenard Son Single M 20 1891 Engineer's Labourer Essex Tottingham VIEW
HOPE, Walter Son Single M 18 1893 Engineer's Labourer Essex Epping VIEW
HOPE, Bert Son Single M 16 1895 Engineer's Labourer Essex Tottingham VIEW
HOPE, Lena Daughter F 14 1897 Laundry Hand Middlesex Acton VIEW
HOPE, Robert Son Single M 9 1902 School Middlesex Harlesden VIEW
HOPE, Herace Son Single M 7 1904 School Middlesex Harlesden VIEW
SMITH, Minnie Grd Daughter F 4 1907 Middlesex Harlesden


Two children (out of 13) have died

Beatrice's marriage:

Name: Beatrice Hope
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Spouse Name: Charles Brown
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Jul 1901
Parish: St Michael and All Angels, Stonebridge
County: Middlesex
Borough: Brent
Father Name: Robert Hope
Spouse Father Name: James Brown

Address for both was 67 Queen St. He was a carman, his father a carman, her father an engineer. Witnesses were Joseph Harman Alvey and Mary Alvey.

For info ONLY......birthplaces of the family as per 1901

Robert - Bristol
Louisa - Wanstead, Essex
Albert - Stratford, Essex
Mary, Beatrice, Fanny - Childs Hill, MIddx
Leonard, Rody, Walter, Job - Tottenham
Jennie, Maud - Willesden

HI Mary just came back to thisRoberts occupation was engineer,the only address was for Beatrice which was 67 Burns road,Willesden N W 10 London,she married Charles Brown.