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1861 England Census
about Robert Kean
Name: Robert Kean
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Owen
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Newcastle Under Lyme
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme
Sub-registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 103
Household Members: Name Age
Owen Kean 45 Ireland
Mary Kean 40 Ireland
Ann Kean 6
Robert Kean 9
Ellen Kean 5
Anthony Kean 2
William Kean 1

Rose

Can't find any of the children's births registered.

Rose

Family in 1871. All children now born in Ireland apart from Charles.

1871 England Census
about Owen Cain
Name: Owen Cain
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Newcastle Under Lyme
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme
Sub-registration district: Newcastle under Lyme
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
Owen Cain 54 bricklayer's labourer
Mary Cain 52
John Cain 24
Anne Cain 16
Ellen Cain 14
Anthony Cain 12
Charles Cain 8

Rose

Oh my the plot thickens.......... I think I liked it better when there were less options lol

But thanks for the look ups and the diiging and experience put in !!!

There is a bit to keep me going there !!!
keven

I spoke to a very nice man at the Scottish Records Office to order the certificate, he looked up and confirmed:-

Marriage cert dated 17th April 1874 - Robert Caine and Mary Ann Milne were married at (church in Overgate Dundee) - (St Mary in Dundee).
Robert Cain was aged 24 (Private 21st Foot) residing at Dundee Barracks
Mary Ann Milne was a weaver aged 22 residing at 3 Bailey Street Dundee
Roberts parents were Owen Cain a Mason's Labourer and Mary McAdam
residing at 1 West Street Dundee
William (Railway Guard deceased) was recorded as the father of Mary and Janet Clark (Anderson) as the mother of Mary Milne - Janet had been married before (Janet Milne) but her Maiden Surename was Anderson

No other information could be read as the record was not in a very good condition. He said that As I had all the information was there any need to order it ??? (nice man).

Wow Keven,

Have you got the telephone number and name of this very nice man from Scottish Records Office who reads out certificate details over the phone as it will save us a fortune.
I think a lot of eager genealogy students will be giving him a call.

I know Frank... what a nice man, the convesation started with me saying I was a bit of a novice at this and asking if there was much more information on a certificate than what I would find by using a site like Scottish People Online, as I already had some information? and how do I go about getting a certificate if there was.... he said he wasnt sure what information would be there, and asked what I already had and then looked it up..... he didn't sound very old and I think he said his name was Adrian or Adam or the like, I kept thinking - am I missing something here? where is the catch..... But hey ho !! sometimes nice things happen.

Hi again,

Please can I ask for a little more help – not sure if I should do that here or should I start a new thread ?

I have confirmed with certificates Owen Cain’s (1876-c1913) birth and marriage also that of his father a Robert Cain (1850-1899), and have certificates for Roberts Birth, Marriage & Death – Buckhaven, Fife area.

I am now looking for any record of Roberts father, another "Owen Cain" - a coal miner, Who I would assume have been born about 1825ish, and who married a “Mary McAdam”. (according to Roberts marriage certificate of 1874).

Just to confuse things I know that the family were recorded with variants of their name... Keane, Keene, Cain, Caine, etc but cant seem to find Owen on Scotlandspeople etc....

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Thanks
Keven

Kevin...Have been following your thread with interest and my immediate thoughts at the beginning were you would need to be looking to Ireland..
The Cain (and variants) Surname was found mainly in the North and Owen/Eugene christian name also..It may be Owen (snr) came over as a migrant worker as thousands did and they tended to stay in the same area especially if there was work...

Kevin...The following may give a clue to where Owen lived/worked

...Coaltown of Wemyss, East Newtown of Wemyss and Methilhill (which last 3 are all mining villages...
You need to be looking at Wemyss..(Fife)
The School "log books" for these towns (earliest 1860) are held at the Fife Archives Markinch.

Hi Eringobragh1916,

Thanks for that information.... I have just joined (another one) The Irish Family History Foundation Online Record Search System and will research his birth there..... hopefully ?

However,
His wife has (what I think) is a Scottish Name - Mary McAdam, and I would have thought they married in Scotland before 1850 as his son Robert was born there in 1850?
My thoughts, migrant worker left Ireland aged 20ish about 1845 on arriving in Scotland met and married Mary McAdam between 1845-1850, had 1st son Robert 1850.... Assumption I know, but a starting point.

What do you think?

Keven...Your thoughts/assumptions are quite correct..however I have found the Cane surname listed on the IGI as far back as late 1700's Wemyss...Birth of a Mary but its a submitted not extracted piece of data...Maybe blows the Ireland theory out of the water...!!
Although McAdam is a Scottish surname there were hundreds also in Ireland...again in what is now the "North".
All part of the "Plantation of Ulster "...I havent so far been able to find anything on either of the couple....Early days...

Hi Eringobragh1916,

Thanks for your interest, I think (from your previous posts) you have a lot more knowledge on the subject than I do. I am not sure what you mean by Submitted vs Extracted data??? But I will look it up.... It's a steep learning curve.

I am still trying to work out what are the best paid sites to go on to cover the areas and timelines I am interested in.... I would have thought that there must be one site that covers it all.... but maybe that is my inexperience showing. Or just clever internet marketing !!

That said, I wont give up, but am thankful that you are interested enough to continue the search also.

I do have membership to Scottishpeople so if there is anything you feel I should look at / pay for then let me know.

Thanks
Keven

Wait, when did Owen's marriage cert to Minnie arrive? As of a few days ago you hadn't ordered it.

Rose

Keven...I thank you for your compliment but I am no more knowledgable than most people on the Boards...just a case of sharing what I have learnt and learning from others..an ongoing process.
Submitted data is what someone has "submitted" to the IGI and must be treated with a degree of caution as most does not have any source of verification.
Extracted data is that which the IGI has extracted from an identified source eg.Parish Records...and can be verified...
Scotland's people is an excellent source of Primary info.
I personally do not subscribe to any Paying Sites ...unless you have definative info.to confirm eg a Marriage you can end up spending a lot of money...
A marketing strategy that has worked well in todays "instant answers" .

Will continue to have a look around...