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john's parents both died by 1901
mary ann's father also dead but don't know about her mother jane - can't find her after 1891, either in census or death or remarriage (for info in case it helps she was born jane redhead 1845 bolton - can't find her marrige to thomas mort, but that's a whole other mystery!!)

no other known family members have got any "anomoly" living with them in either 1901 or 1911 - I'd already thought of that one !!!

thanks anyway guys !!

have a great weekend

Hang on Cagsie.... don't cut and run!

So we need fo find the Maternal Grandmother?


T x

hey, i've not cut and run - just assumed you'd all gone for dinner or something better

good luck with trying to find maternal grandmother !! it's been bugging my for ages

Thomas died in Mar 1884 - he collapsed in the police station after visiting Jane who'd been done for D&D

I have the birth certs of 3 of their children and all have mmn of Jane Redhead
in 1891 Jane Mort is at 22 Molyneux St, then seems to disappear into thin air

have a thread on it, separate to this one, had given up that search for a while:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1190291

So Thomas Mort was married to Jane Redhead?

T x

well there lies another mystery, i've not been able to find a marriage, but they were Mary Ann's parents

For info...

1891 RG number: RG12 Piece: 2972 Folio: 52 Page: 34
Reg. District: West Derby Sub District: Walton
Address: 22, Molyneux Street, Bootle Cum Linacre, Bootle County: Lancashire
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MORT, Jane Head Widow F 43 1848 Lodging House Keeper Bolton Lancashire
MORT, William A Son Single M 24 1867 Dock Labourer Kenyon Junction Lancashire
MORT, Mary A Daughter Single F 17 1874 Scholar Ireland
HUGHES, John Lodger Single M 33 1858 Dock Labourer Ireland
SANFORD, John Lodger Single M 30 1861 Dock Labourer Ireland

Mary Ann is most def listed as being born ireland, could Thomas and Jane have married there?


T x

yeah that's right but i think the enumerator got a bit excited with Ireland as Mary Ann was born in Liverpool, 12 Brunswick Place, according to her birth cert

Hahaha bless them!


T x

Just looking at this again this morning and found these. All the names you have listed in your original message are there(apart from Ada). So is it possible that the missing child was born as a Mort?

Births Sep 1915 (>99%)
THOMPSON Edward MORT W. Derby 8b 613
Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
Thompson Rose Mort W.Derby 8b 631
Births Dec 1920 (>99%)
Thompson Mary Mort W. Derby 8b 732
Births Mar 1923 (>99%)
Thompson Jane Mort W.Derby 8b 726
Births Jun 1925 (>99%)
Thompson Alice Mort W. Derby 8b 923
Births Mar 1928 (>99%)
Thompson Agnes Mort W.Derby 8b 899
Births Sep 1930 (>99%)
Thompson John Mort W.Derby 8b 859
Births Mar 1932 (98%)
Thompson Lilian Mort W.Derby 8b 850


This seems to be the marriage

Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%)

Mort Mary J Thompson W.Derby 8b 418
Thompson Edward Mort W.Derby 8b 418

Possible birth??

Births Mar 1895 (>99%)

Mort Mary Jane W. Derby 8b 461


Can't locate her in any census for definite

That would make Mary born slightly prior to the marriage?

That is the only way a Mort child could have had your mother's cousins as all the other children were O'neill's?

Nice find Astra.

She might be with the missing Mort Grandmother.... we need to find them in 1901. My best guess is they have been mistranscibed, or Jane has remarried and Mary J her Grandaughter has accidentally been given the new name also?



Tracey x

thanks for this
sorry didn't reply earlier - was out all day yesterday fundraising to get a bronze memorial for 8 local lifeboat men who died in 1810
will have a dig myself with this new info

think you're onto something, as have found Ada

Name: Ada Thompson
Mother's Maiden Surname: Mort
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1934
Registration district: W Derby
Registration county: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b

Nice one! Why I couldn't find her I don't know. Must admit to doing it in rather a hurry though. Well that makes the full set then.
Good luck with your hunt for Mary J because I couldn't find her anywhere or her Grandmother Jane.

Might be an idea to get that marriage certificate!

yup

Mmmmm


BURNS, Mary Anne Head Widow F 47 1864 Tobacconist Mohill Co Leitrim Ireland Resident VIEW
TOWNSEND, Mary Catherine Daughter Married F 24 1887 Liverpool Lancs VIEW
WOODS, Michael Brother Widower M 43 1868 Sheet Metal Worker Mohill Co Leitrim Ireland Resident VIEW
WOODS, William Nephew Single M 23 1888 Confectionery Baker Liverpool Lancs VIEW
POWER, Maud Visitor Single F 29 1882 Milliner At Sea Irish Parents VIEW
>>NEILL, Mary Jane Servant Single F 16 1895 Liverpool VIEW

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
West Derby Western Enumeration District:
32 Parish:
West Derby

Address:
116 Prescot St Liverpool County:
Lancashire


No don't think so. Looks like her parents may have been Robert and Mary.

Astra - thanks for your help

but Robert and Mary ??? who are they? where are they mentioned?

Cags

Sorry Cagsie
Looked back to the 1901 and I think she is shown there with her parents Robert and Mary. I should have deleted the posting instead of confusing this issue even more!
I just keep popping in and out and having a look for her to see if she has miraculously appeared overnight...........but I don't think that is going to happen somehow with this one.