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Hi folks,
would appreciate help again. William Evans is my great grandfather but I am unable to be sure that I have found him. I need to to this to get his parents name and then my tree will be done!!
To further compound the issue I cannot find a marriage cert. I have pasted his details here from the 1881 census. You will see he is married to Mary. I have the birth certs of their children and can confirm she is Mary Price born in Llanwnnen. There are not that many William Evans and Mary Price marriages and I have three of the certs that may have been them but the ages do not fit.

879 EVANS, William Head Married M 30 1851 Coal Miner
Montgomery
Montgomeryshire
Wales VIEW
879 EVANS, Mary Wife Married F 26 1855
Llanwrnam
Cardiganshire
Wales VIEW
879 EVANS, Mary E Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar
Llanwrnam
Cardiganshire
Wales VIEW
879 EVANS, Wm John Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Cwmpark
Glamorganshire
Wales VIEW
879 EVANS, Griffith E Son Single M 3 1878 Scholar
Ffestiniog
Merionethshire
Wales VIEW
879 EVANS, Isaac E Son Single M 1 1880
Cwmpark
Glamorganshire
Wales
I have found a couple of William Evans's bonr in Llanfair caereinion but cannot be sure which is him. I have detailsof him in the 1891 and 1901 census if needed.
Any help gratefully accepted.
cheeers.
Ken

So the eldest child was born in Llanwnen?
(I went through there yesterday !)

So maybe they married there?Or in Lampeter?

Which marriage certs do you have?

Seems so but like I said there I cannot find marriage cert. have given up on that one. Wondering now if there is another way I can identify William when young? I went to Llanwnnen two weeks ago. not much there is there!? Nice little place though . I actually found the graves of Gwennlian and John Price who I think are the parents of Mary so I was well happy with that!
Ken

Did you check out Jenkin Jenkins grave as well.

He of,, Diary of a Welsh Swag Man fame.
(At the chapel)
I am but few miles away from there,and shhh,but I am on fairly good terms with the lovely reg person for the area so maybe we can get a search done?.

Can you post the other census you have as well please?

Sorry I didnt reply properly about marriage certs. I have William and Mary, 1870 Llandovery - both fathers David and ages way out. William 39 Mary 31.
Also,1873 Builth Wells. ages illegible but Marys father is Rees and his trade is shoemaker. Should be John and a farmer I think.
got one for merthyr 1972. both aged 21. suppose she could have made her age up but even though her father is john he is down as a mason. Not sure about this one. Williams father on this one is Evan and he is a farmer.
there is another one i sent off for in 1876 but william and mary were not married to each other!

Hope all this makes sense.
ken

Perfect sense..

1871.
Mary was born in LLanllwni on here and that is in Carmarthenshire and some way from Llanwnnen so may well not be "your"Mary?..

PRICE, John Head M 52 1819 Cardiganshire
PRICE, Gwenllian Wife F 51 1820 Cardiganshire
PRICE, Howell Son M 20 1851 Carmarthenshire
PRICE, Mary Daughter F 17 1854 Carmarthenshire
PRICE, Thomas Son M 14 1857 Carmarthenshire
PRICE, Anne Daughter F 11 1860 Carmarthenshire

Registration District:
Lampeter Sub District:
Llanybyther Enumeration District:
5 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Llanllwni Municipal Borough:
Address:
Cefn Coeduchaf, Llanllwni County:
Cardiganshire

I know - I'm so confused! Do you think this is the same Mary? I thought it was but I am in doubt now. Im sure I saw she was born in Llanwnnen on one of them. Im trying to find the other census for William but I have only saved the images. can I do anything with them? I managed to post the 1881 census details because I had them off Findmypast
Struggling a bit at mo - please bear with me I need your help!!
Ken.

I will go nowhere Ken .

I enjoy the ones on my doorstep the best as I see so little of them..!

This is the only Mary Price I can find. Do you think I have got it wrong. she was definatel Price. I have the birth certs of her children Griffith and to make sure his brother Isaac.
Ken

I dont know if she is the same one but will start searching.

You dont have the eldest daughters birth I dont suppose?
That address would be helpful.

Give me some time.
The Welsh ones are always harder to crack than English,but I dont give up easily .

If need be I will phone the reg office on Monday for the area and ask for a marriage search.
I know that this area are all on her computer.
But she wont give me details of course,only if she has it or not.
It may have not been transcribed properly or only half of it.
Its worth a call anyway,and she hasnt heard my voice for a while ..:)

I will get to Mr Evans eventually,but lets look at Mary first.

Still in Llanllwni..

1861
PRICE, John Head Married M 41 1820 Farmer 66 Acres
Llanwnen
Cardiganshire
PRICE, Gwenllian Wife Married F 41 1820
Llanllwni
Carmarthenshire
PRICE, Gwilliam Daughter Unmarried F 18 1843 Farmers Daughter
Llanllwni
Carmarthenshire
PRICE, David Son Unmarried M 16 1845 Farmers Son
Llanllwni
Carmarthenshire
PRICE, Evan Son M 13 1848 Farmers Son
Llanllwni
Carmarthenshire
PRICE, Hannah Daughter F 10 1851 Scholaress
Llanllwni
Carmarthenshire
PRICE, Mary Daughter F 7 1854 Scholaress
Llanllwni
Carmarthenshire
PRICE, Thomas Son M 5 1856
Llanllwni
Carmarthenshire
PRICE, Ann Daughter F 2 1859
Llanllwni
Carmarthenshire


Registration District:
Lampeter Sub District:
1 Llanbyther Enumeration District:
5 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Llanllwni Municipal Borough:
Address:
...Ycha, Llanllwni County:
Cardiganshire

Thanks so much. Isnt this one the same family? I have to be honest I was turning a bit of a blind eye to the Llanwnni and Llanwnnen scenario! thought it might be a spelling thing but when I was there the other week I went through Llanwnni and it was then doubts crept in!! I also went to Llansadwrn on way from Llandovery - I think that comes in somewhere but I may be wrong. I have found William again on the 1901 census but now for some reason when I click "view others" it will not work! So frustrating. Mary has dissappeard from the 1891 census and William is shown as widowed so she must have passed away very young.Unfortunaltely I do not have the birth cert of the eldest daughter but if it helps i am more than willing to get it.

Ken

1891??

Mary 1855 has died?And young Griffith is gone,or is this a different family?

EVANS, William Head Widower M 39 1852 Coal Miner Window Pit
Ireland <<<<Not Ireland on image but, LLanfair Montgomery..
EVANS, Mary Daughter Single F 17 1874 House Keeper
Llanafan
Cardiganshire
EVANS, William J Son Single M 15 1876 Coal Miner Window Pit
?
Glamorganshire
EVANS, Isaac Son Single M 11 1880 Scholar
?
Glamorganshire
EVANS, Evan E Son Single M 8 1883 Scholar
?
Glamorganshire
EVANS, Thomas Son Single M 5 1886 Scholar
?
Glamorganshire
EVANS, Sarah Boarder Single F 20 1871 Dressmaker
Llangain
Montgomeryshire
RG number:
RG12 Piece:
4414 Folio:
121 Page:
37

Registration District:
Pontypridd Sub District:
Llanwonno Enumeration District:
14 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Catherines

Civil Parish:
Llanwonno Municipal Borough:
Address:
46, Augusta Street, Llanwonno, Ynysybwl County:
Glamorganshire

If this is the right Mary I found a marriage for a John and gwenllian howell in 1840. do you think this is them/
Ken

I cant work that fast Ken...Slow down..

I think I need to speak to the reg office for you and see if she can help by looking for a marriage..
If you would like me too.?

And the eldest daughters birth may help,or may not,but should be at Lampeter office if she WAS born Llanwnnen..

OK.

Here we have a marriage out of place and no groom..

Marriages Jun 1875
Jones Ellis Davies Wrexham 11b 502
Miller Charlotte Wrexham 11b 502
>>>PRICE Mary Lampeter 11b 502
>>>Price Mary Lampeter 11b 502
SMITH John Wrexham 11b 502
WILLIAMS Charlotte Wrexham 11b 502


And even if she is the Llanllwni Mary it should still be Lampeter reg marriage as the eldest was born in the area as well?

I think you have the right census for 1891. It cause me a nightmare ages ago because Griffith is the one I was looking for -he is my great grandfather. I eventually found Griffith aged 13 in hospital that night! I think it was the Cardiff Royal Infirmary. I assume Sarah Evans, who is boarding has maybe come to help him after the loss of his wife.
If you want to look at the 1901 census William is boarding with Albert Watkins of no. 10 Railway Terrace. he was born in Worcestshire. Should be easy to find..... and yes please, i would love you to help me. I've been on this for about six months now without exaggeration!!! Driving me mad for sure.
If you could speak to reg office that would be amazing.
cheers,
ken

I will phone on Monday for you.

Its no prob as I really like the lady and I havent heard how her hols went yet..

I think its where we should start anyway.

If she turns up nothing then we have a rethink.

I will have a look at all the census I can find and see what I come up with.
But if you have been at it for 6 months could you give me a few days ????:))

I will post anything I find that is looking good and let you know as soon as I have news from the reg office

Marriages Sep 1870 (>99%)
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PRICE Mary Hereford 6a 761

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Marriages Dec 1870 (>99%)
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PRICE Mary Llandovery 11a 1087

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Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%)
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Price Mary Elinor Merthyr T. 11a 788

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Marriages Jun 1873 (>99%)
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Price Mary Builth 11b 119

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Marriages Mar 1876 (>99%)
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Price Mary Builth 11b 127

Of these I do not have the Hereford one. Dont think it is any of the others

Lets see about the one in 1875 in Lampeter reg district with no groom to go with it on Monday.

Sarah Evans on 1891 is born LLanfair Montgomery as well ,not Llangain as transcribed so you look right about her being family,and prob is his sister?


Checked the index for the Mary Price marriage in 1875 and it is hand written at the bottom of the page ,so that is why it is out of place.

Looks good to me as it is most definatley Lampeter.
Just pray its not sub district Llanllwni or Pencarreg and therefore at Carmarthen ,,,they are not quick at searches.6 week wait I had last time..!


But this is it on freebmd

Marriages Jun 1875
PRICE Mary Lampeter 11b 502