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Well I have tried the LDS and free BMD for a William Henry, a William Henry Richard about 1840 in Herefordshire and came up with nothing, In 1881 census he said he was born Heriford and gave his age as 42 which would have made it 1839? what am I doing wrong.

Hi, well the cert came today, Williams father was William Henry Richard Kynessley Bevan, what a name! Anyway having taken a look at all the info you have sent me I think father William went by the name of Henry, as it seems he is on the census with wife Mary (Byard) in the 1881 census. Mary is also on the 1901/1911 census with son William. You have already found the marriage of William Bevan to Mary Byard, I wonder if anyone can find the birth, or 1871/61 census for William Henry Richard Kynessley, which would also have his parents and any other family. Unless he was named Henry in census in which case you probably already posted the census, I am in a bit of a muddle with this one.

Ozibird you are ace at this what do you think?

All views welcome
Kathy

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Thanks for the info Ozibird, I will get back next week when the marriage cert arrives, by then I will know if I am on the right line, it may turn out that its William who married Sarah Ann, but we will know next week one way or the other

Thanks for all your help

Kathy

As requested by pm.

1841 England Census
Name: Mary Byard
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Gender: Female
Where born: Leicestershire, England
Civil Parish: Ashby de la Zouch
Hundred: West Goscote
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Street address: Wood Street

Registration district: Ashby de la Zouch
Sub-registration district: Ashby de la Zouch
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Byard 35 - Coach Smith
Sarah Byard 35
Walter Byard 8
Mary Byard 4
Dorothy Byard 1
Lydia Gratton 60
Jane Hartle 15
Only the 3 children are born in the county.




1851 England Census
Name: Mary Byrard [Mary Byard]
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas Byrard
Mother's name: Sarah Byrard
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashby De La Zouch, Leicestershire, England
Civil Parish: Ashby de la Zouch
Town: Ashby de la Zouch
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Street address: Heafield's Yard

Occupation:Glover

Registration district: Ashby De La Zouch
Sub-registration district: Measham
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Byrard 47 - Journeyman Coach Smith; Ticknall, Derbysh.
Sarah Byrard 41 - Ticknall, Derbysh.
Walter Byrard 18 - Plumber (App); Derby
Mary Byrard 12
Dorothy Byrard 11 - Scholar; Ashby de la Zouch
Jane Byrard 6 - Scholar; Ashby de la Zouch
Lydia Gretton 78 - mother-in-law; widow; (Pauper) formerly House Servant; Ticknall, Derbsh.

1841: Class: HO107; Piece 594; Book: 2; Civil Parish: Ashby de la Zouch; County: Leicestershire; Enumeration District: 1; Folio: 7; Page: 8

1851: is as I have above but the folio number is very blurred so it may be incorrectly transcribed. Mary is transcribed as ByRard c1839.

Hope this helps.
Ozi

Thanks Ozibird, if anyone can send these images please get in touch

Kathy

1861: Class: RG9; Piece: 1814; Folio: 108; Page: 5
1871: Class: RG10; Piece: 5397; Folio: 107; Page: 22
1881: Class: RG11; Piece: 3013; Folio: 106; Page: 47
1901: Class: RG13; Piece: 2863; Folio: 90; Page: 30

Also for Mary
1871: Class: RG10; Piece: 3101; Folio: 32; Page: 24
1861: Class: RG9; Piece: 2137; Folio: 55; Page: 23
1851: Class: HO107; Piece: 2084; Folio: 236; Page: 18


Still no 1891.

I also think he may have married before, I have sent for the marriage of William H Bevan that should name both the father and mothers maiden name, I will get there in the end
Thanks again
Kathy

Hi, can anyone send me the census pages for the following familys, I think I would be happier if I could look at them myself, so if you can please help.

Kathy


1911
BEVAN, William Head Married M 31 1880 Carpenter Birmingham Warwickshire
BEVAN, Jessie Wife Married 4 years F 27 1884 Birmingham Warwickshire
BEVAN, William Son M 3 1908 Birmingham Warwickshire
BEVAN, Mary Mother Widow F 73 1838 Ashby de la Zouch Leicestershire
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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18121 Reference:
RG14PN18121 RG78PN1098 RD384 SD4 ED18 SN134

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
St Martin Enumeration District:
18 Parish:
Birmingham

Address:
2 Court 2 Hope Street Birmingham County:
Warwickshire
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1901 Ancestry

Name: Mary Bevan Age: 62 Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Head Gender: Female
Where born: Ashby De La Zouch, Leicestershire, England
Civil parish: Aston Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England

Registration district: Aston Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 77 Household schedule number: 187
Name Age

Mary Bevan 62 widow Ashby De La Zouch, Leicestershire, England
William Bevan 21 Occ:Carpenter born Birmingham

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2863; Folio: 90; Page: 30

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Where born: Ashby De La Zouch, Leicestershire, England Civil Parish: Aston County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England
1881 England Census about Mary Bevan
Name: Mary Bevan
Age: 43 Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Henry Bevan
Gender: Female
Street address: 7 Court 1 House Glover St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Aston Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page

Name Age

Henry Bevan 42 carter b Hereford
Mary Bevan 43 Ashby De La Zouch, Leicestershire, England
William H. Bevan AGE 17 MONTH

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1871 census - household transcription

Person: BEVAN, Henry Address: Back Of "red Lion", Merthyr Tydfil Dowlais Ward, Merthyr Tydfil

BEVAN, Henry Head M 30 1841 Herefordshire
BEVAN, Mary F 32 1839 Breconshire

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1861 census - household transcription

Person: BEVAN, Henry
Address: Burnt House Gate, Marstow, Hereford

BEVAN, Christopher Head Married M 59 1802 Agricultural Labourer Herefordshire N K
BEVAN, Amelia Wife Married F 52 1809 Walford Herefordshire
BEVAN, James Son Unmarried M 25 1836 Marstow Herefordshire
BEVAN, Henry Son Unmarried M 23 1838 Agricultural Labourer Marstow Herefordshire
BEVAN, Elizabeth Daughter F 15 1846 Agricultural Labourer Marstow Herefordshire
BEVAN, Alfred Son M 9 1852 Scholar Marstow Herefordshire

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I know its a lot to ask but I think it would help if I could see them myself
I can PM you with my email addy if you can help
Thanks
Kathy

Think I am now correct in saying that the marriage on free bmd for

Mary Byard in Birmingham is to a
Richard Henry W K Bevan
Mar Q 1877 6 d 68

Maybe another name add to the pot and possible verification of the 1841 census found by Ozibird

??

best wishes

Vanessa

edit - I see now that this had been found by Ozibird previously . Looks like a good option Kathy.

My only other thought ( unless I have missed something ) is could Henry have been married before? It seems quite old for both of them to still be single ? I guess the cert would answer this .

Hi Vanessa, you seen to have found a bit of a query, it seems odd 2 Bevan households at the same address but diff names? I wonder if they were brothers both with a son called Henry, until I can go further back I cant understand it. I have sent you a PM. Still if any one can help sort this out I would be grateful

Kathy

Hi , Kathleen , just looking at all this again this morning and hope I am on the right lines ??

In 1891 it would appear the Bevan couple at Glover st are the parents of the William whose birth cert you have got ? William and Sarah.

In 1881 you have Henry and Mary on Glover st with their William.

Is it a coincidence or could they be connected ? Bevan is not that common although I know we must not just jump to conclusions.

I believe it is possible to look at consecutive pages of the census on Ancestry and I was just wondering if you looked up and down Glover st 1891 you might find Mary / Henry and William.

Not fully worked this through so hope someone can help out / dismiss it !

best wishes
vanessa

Hi Kathleen, I did a basic search on free bmd and x referenced with the elec roll. I have found a family after 1911 who seem to fit with your couple, William and Jessie . They had 5 sons . I am going to send their names in a PM as some may still be alive??

Best wishes

Vanessa

Hi Vanessa, how kind of you, yes I would love to have any info on the family, I know they had Aurther in 1915 but not much else about them.

Thanks a lot

Kathy

Hi Kathleen, looking at the Birmingham elec roll 1930 is it possible William and Jessie went on to have a son with middle name Kynnersley? I know this is forward in time rather than back which is where you want to go but if this info is needed then let me know and I will post it

best wishes

vanessa

Thanks to all for your input, let me review what I think adds up.
Arthur James Bevan b1915 his father was called William Bevan who married Jessie Bloomer.

Here they are in 1911


1911 JESSIE NEE BLOOMER

BEVAN, William Head Married M 31 1880 Carpenter Birmingham Warwickshire V
BEVAN, Jessie Wife Married4 years F 27 1884 Birmingham Warwickshire
BEVAN, William Son M 3 1908 Birmingham Warwickshire
BEVAN, Mary Mother Widow F 73 1838 Ashby de la Zouch Leicestershire

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18121 Reference:
RG14PN18121 RG78PN1098 RD384 SD4 ED18 SN134

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
St Martin Enumeration District:
18 Parish:
Birmingham

Address:
2 Court 2 Hope Street Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

1901 Ancestry
Name: Mary Bevan Age: 62
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Head Gender: Female
Where born: Ashby De La Zouch, Leicestershire, England
Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 77
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 187
Household Members:

Mary Bevan 62 widow Ashby De La Zouch, Leicestershire, England
William Bevan 21 Occ:Carpenter born Birmingham

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2863; Folio: 90; Page: 30

I dont have a1891 census


1881 census transcription details for: 7, Court 1 House, Glover St, Aston

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 3013 Folio: 106 Page: 47
Reg. District: Aston Sub District: Deritend Parish: Aston Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 7, Court 1 House, Glover St, Aston County: Warwickshire

BEVAN, Henry Head Married M 42 1839 General Carter Hereford Herefordshire
BEVAN, Mary Wife Married F 43 1838 Ashby de la Zouch Leicestershire
BEVAN, William H Son Single M 1 1880 Birmm Warwickshire

The fact that his mothers birth place is the same in all the above census makes me believe I am on the right path.

I don't have the marriage cert for William who married Jessie Bloomer, if I send for that it will at least confirm Williams fathers name.

But I believe I am looking for Henry Bevan who married Mary? I haven't had much luck finding the marriage.

I am keeping all your posts on record just in case they fall into place at some time.

I cant thank you enough all for your help.

Regards
Kathy

1861 England Census
Name: Richard H Beavan
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Susannah Beavan
Gender: Male
Where born: Hope Under Dinmore, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: St Owen
Ecclesiastical parish: Hereford
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Street address: Bartonsham Allotments

Occupation: Mason's Lab.

Registration district: Hereford
Sub-registration district: Hereford City
Household Members: Name Age
Susannah Beavan 62 - widow; Dilwyn, herfordshire
Richard H Beavan 22
William Beavan 20 - Burgill, Herefordshire
Sarah A Beavan 18 - Burgill, Herefordshire
James Beavan 15 - Burgill, Herefordshire
Mary A Beavan 11 - Burgill, Herefordshire



1851 England Census
Name: Susan Beavan
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1803
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Dilwyn, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Tillington
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Street address: Tillington Common

Occupation: Pauper Ag Lab

Condition as to marriage: widow

Registration district: Hereford
Sub-registration district: Dewchurch
Household Members: Name Age
Susan Beavan 48
William Beavan 12
Sarah Beavan 10
James Beavan 6
Mary Ann Beavan 2

???
1841 England Census
Name: Henry Bevan
Age: 5 MO
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Gender: Male
Where born: Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Allensmoor
Hundred: Webtree
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Street address: Small Brook????? [very faded]

Registration district: Hereford <<<<<<<<<<
Sub-registration district: Dewchurch
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Bevan 30 - Ag lab
Anne Bevan 30
Eizabeth Bevan 3
Henry Bevan 5 MO


OR


1841 England Census
Name: Richard Beavan
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Gender: Male
Where born: Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Withington
Hundred: Broxash
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Street address: Preston Marsh

Registration district: Hereford
Sub-registration district: Fowkshope
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Beavan 35 - Ag lab
Susan Beavan 30
James Beavan 8
Richard Beavan 2

All born in county.

Oh crumbs I can see the number, it might be 11months written badly, and of course they won't check mothers name at GRO now, I see Kathleen in a sea of expensive paperwork at this rate !