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Good morning Densirl,

Apologies again for my extreme lack of patience yesterday!

The only thing I failed to repost was the fact that I had discovered that William only had one wife called Eliza.

On re-examining the 1861 image, although he had a strange way of writing his numbers, I could see that the image actually gave her age as 46 NOT 26 so this means that it is the same Eliza!

This is Edward and his family, in case you haven't got it already:

1861 England Census
about Edward Brown Name: Edward Brown
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Brown
Mother's name: Sarah Brown
Gender: Male
Where born: Ealing, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Ealing
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Condition as to marriage: View image
Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 87
Household Members: Name Age
William Brown 42 Gardner b. Penton, Hants.
Sarah Brown 39
Adelaide Brown 10
Edward Brown 7
Emily Brown 4
Mary Ann Brown 1 MO

at 2, Laurel Cottages, Uxbridge Rd.

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 777; Folio: 105; Page: 16; GSU roll: 542699.

Let me know if there is anything else you need.

Dea x

Densirl.

Thank you for accepting my apology!!

I DO have a health problem which I will not bore you with - I had a little 'blip' there - I was VERY tired and lost all patience - I apologise and will be here to help you tomorrow !!

Dea Xxx

Thankyou very much dea ,i hope you havent got this terrible flu thing ,ive had it really pulls you down ,i relly need to go to bed soon ,but will sit down 2 morrow and digest all your info .thankyou once again

Thankyou ozibird for your help

A 'possible' for 1861, though his father obviously has a 'new' wife???

1861 England Census
about William Brown Name: William Brown
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Son
Father's name: Joseph Brown
Mother's name: Eliza Brown
Gender: Male
Where born: Brentford, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: New Brentford
Town: Brentford
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Brown 61 Labourer
Eliza Brown 26 wife !!
Charles Brown 22
Ellen Brown 20
William Brown 16
Ann Brown 12
Alfred Brown 10
James Brown 7
Eliza Brown 4
Mary Brown 49 sister?

at Catherine Wheel Yard

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 777; Folio: 30; Page: 14; GSU roll: 542699.

Dea x
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I believe the 1861 IS correct:

'Emma Eliza' was christened 'Eliza Emma' !!!!!!!!

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Eliza Emma Brown Name: Eliza Emma Brown
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1856
Baptism Date: 28 Sep 1856
Father's name: Joseph Brown
Mother's name: Eliza Brown
Parish or Poor Law Union: New Brentford St Lawrence
Borough: Hounslow


This is William>>>>>.........

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about William Brown Name: William Brown
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1844
Baptism Date: 12 May 1844
Father's name: Joseph Brown
Mother's name: Eliza Brown
Parish or Poor Law Union: New Brentford St Lawrence
Borough: Hounslow


In between there are:

Harry Brown 20 Sep 1846 Joseph Brown,
Eliza Brown New Brentford St Lawrence Hounslow

Ann Eliza Brown 5 Nov 1848 Joseph Brown,
Eliza Brown New Brentford St Lawrence Hounslow

Alfred Brown 9 Mar 1851 Joseph Brown,
Eliza Brown New Brentford St Lawrence Hounslow

James Brown 4 Sep 1853 Joseph Brown,
Eliza Brown New Brentford St Lawrence Hounslow

The only thing left now is to find if Joseph had 2 wives called Eliza, or one??

I will have to leave it until later, unless someone can come up with the answer in the meantime??

Dea x

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1851 England Census
about Joseph Brown Name: Joseph Brown
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1800
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza Brown
Gender: Male
Where born: Hanwell, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: New Brentford
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 86
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Brown 51
Eliza Brown 38
Charles Brown 12
Ellen Brown 11
William Brown 7
Ann E Brown 2
Alfred Brown 1 MO
Joseph Brown 15


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1699; Folio: 36; Page: 21; GSU roll: 193607.

NB - There is an Ann Brown next door age 77 with daughter Mary (aged 30 ???)
Could 'possibly' be his mother and sister but Mary's age is wrong?

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1841 England Census
about Joseph Brown Name: Joseph Brown
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1799
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: New Brentford
Hundred: Elthorne
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:.......... The Han ???

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Brown 42 ..Labourer
Eliza Brown 28
Joseph Brown 6
Charles Brown 3
Ellen Brown 1

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 655; Book: 1; Civil Parish: New Brentford; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 3; Folio: 48; Page: 15; Line: 23; GSU roll: 438773.
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1871 England Census
about Eliza Brown Name: Eliza Brown
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Brentford, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: New Brentford
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Brown 57 Fruit basket maker Wid.
Alfred Brown 20
James Brown 18
Eliza Brown 14 Fruit basket maker

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1319; Folio: 174; Page: 39; GSU roll: 828267

at Persue???Wheel Yard? - Half the word is mising but it IS Catherine Wheel Yard!!!
This is where Emma was in 1881 - after her marriage, and also in 1861 with parents and family.

Further proof, I believe !!!


Dea x

Apologies Gensirl,

Not too well at the moment and I got a little frustrated.

This is the info which I posted - hope it helps:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Emma Eliza Brown Name: Emma Eliza Brown
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Spouse Name: Edward Brown
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 03 Oct 1875
Parish: St Paul, Old Brentford
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Joseph Brown ... Labourer
Spouse Father Name: William Brown ...Gardner

Brides address: 1 Mountpelier Rd.
Grooms address: 3 Grove Road

Witnesses:
James Brown
Annie Clemace?? (??Clemape/ Clemase/ Clemax ???)

Dea x

I am so sorry i have been up to my eyes in work ,i look after a elderly people ,its been a bit of a hard day and am very tired ,i did notice you deleted a lot ,like you said i opened my pm ,but just needed to relax for a while .Thankyou

Actually, I think I will delete anyway and re-post if you care to show an interest !!

Dea x

I wil give you until morning just in case you have other family comittments BUT, if you can not be bothered to reply, I have the whole family here for you but I can always delete.

Dea

You opened your pm ages ago !!!

Do you have a comment here please?

Dea x

Come on Densirl !!!

I admit -' I am vain and self centred' BUT, when I find something useful, I REALLY have a need to share it with the person who asked !!!

Come back soon,

Dea x

Good work, Dea.

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1861 England Census
Name: Emma Brown
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Brown
Mother's name: Eliza Brown
Gender: Female
Where born: Old Brentford
Civil Parish: Ealing
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Old Brentford
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England


Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
Household Members: Name Age
John Brown 30
Eliza Brown 30
Mary Ann Brown 10
Elizabeth Brown 6
Emma Brown 4




See what I mean?

1851 England Census about John Brown
Name: John Brown
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Old Brentford, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Ealing
Town: Old Brentford
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
Household schedule number: 190
Household Members:
Name Age
John Brown 21
Eliza Pethers 20
Mary Ann Pethers 4 MO

But I can't find her with any brother, William. What were their parents' names?

1881 England Census
Name: Emma E. Brown
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Edward Brown
Gender: Female
Where born: Brentford, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: New Brentford
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 23 Catherine Wheel Yard
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Basketmaker
Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Brown 27- Maltster; Ealing, Middlesex
Emma E. Brown 24
Eliza Brown 4
Edward J. Brown 2
Ellen Brown

no sorry

Have you got the wedding certificate for Fathers' names?

Yes this is the one

?
Marriages Dec 1875
xxx BROWN Edward George Brentford 3a 93
xxx BROWN Emma Eliza Brentford 3a 93
GREGGE Fanny Brentford 3a 93
MITCHELL Thomas Brentford 3a 93

Lots of William Browns in London - have you found him in any censuses?
Thanks

Trying to find brothers and sisters of william brown b1845 (london)know of two sisters Ann and Emma .Emma married Edward Brown in 1875