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Do you have a name for his father from the marriage cert? Forget that his name was James

jax

Yes Vanessa these are mums siblings but their relatives are asking me for info! We have all come to grief with Albert, our grandfather

I may be able to find out addresses for when they first came to Liverpool but not until later today. I know that from being a seaman he went on to become Head Dock Gateman and the Keiley family actually lived on Huskisson Dock but not sure when this was from and to. I know he did not end his life there so possible quite early on in their marriage. This is also in the same sort of area as Upper Pitt Street.
Thank you all for your help - you've opened up other avenues for me and I'll be back tomorrow with as much further inf as I can muster.

Thats why I mentioned the dying at sea OH comes from Liverpool and his gt grandfather died at sea before the 1911 and there is no record of his death anywhere

jax

Looks like moms siblings - are you in contact with any other family that may have info?

Births Jun 1914 (>99%)
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KEILEY Fred Bell Toxteth P. 8b 383

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Births Dec 1915 (>99%)
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KEILEY Edith Bell Toxteth P. 8b 326

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Births Dec 1917 (>99%)
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Keiley Maud F Bell Toxteth P 8b 276

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Births Mar 1920 (>99%)
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Keiley Rupert W Bell Toxteth P 8b 483

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Births Mar 1922 (>99%)
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Keiley Winifred Bell Toxteth P. 8b 405

No death registered for Edward Keeley 1909-1911 on freebmd

It is possible son Albert was staying with gr.parents or just good friends on the night of the census but mom Alice also listed him in 'her' household.
That's if this is our Alice!

This could be the other Alice

Marriages Dec 1907 (>99%)
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BURMAN Alice Jane Warrington 8c 247
HUGHES Alfred Edward Warrington 8c 247
KEELEY Edward Warrington 8c 247
RIGBY Edith Warrington 8c 247

No forget that I cannot find a death....but if they died at seait would'nt be registered

Odd that they lived next door though. On the origanal says married but has been crossed out and widow added

jax

Yes this is his date of death - 22/3/1942
Jax your household transcription is quite strange for 1911 because they had son Albert 1909 and next child was Alice 1911 but Alice wasn't widowed until 1942 and, other than time at sea I suppose, they lived together until Albert died.
Could it be some sort of fiddle (they didn't have benefits to fiddle at that time did they?) Having said that Albert and Alice were common names and none were born in Wigan

Sorry yes, that was stated wasn't it - D'uh!

At least another one ruled out.

I thought this was his death

Name: Albert Keiley
Death Registration Month/Year: 1942
Age at death (estimated): 58
Registration district: Liverpool North
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 511

Hi Jax

Just realised my 1911 & your 1911 are next door neighbours!! I thought the addy look familiar.

Need Freda to return and see if her grandfather passed away around this time.

Name: Alice Keiley
Death Registration Month/Year: 1955
Age at death (estimated): 71
Registration district: Liverpool North
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10d
Page: 212

makes her born 1884

The one above??
1911 census - household transcription
Person: KEELEY, Alice
Address: 98 Upr Pitt St L'pool

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PEDLAR, Eliza Wife Married
33 years F 60 1851 Nail Married Woman Manchester Probably Hulme VIEW
DYKIN, Jno Boarder Widower M 72 1839 None London VIEW
WALTERS, Mary Boarder Widow F 72 1839 None Manchester VIEW
KEELEY, Alice Boarder Widow F 24 1887 Wigan VIEW
KEELEY, Albert Boarder M 2 1909 Wigan VIEW
KEELEY, Alice Boarder F 1 1910 Lpool VIEW

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.says she is a widow so does'nt look like her

www.findmypast.com. It is a pay per view or subscription site but you can do a certain amount using the free search facility.
As per my post you dont get full details, like the relationship to the head of the house, actual address.
If you're lucky somebody with a subscription may be able to post the full record for you.

Otherwise take a look - I searched for Alice Keiley (inluding variants) b 1884 +/- 5 years using the basic search. I saw the Alice Keeley in Liverpool so went to the advanced search and just entered County (Lancs), Registration district (Liverpool) then went to 'Others in household' and entered Alice Keeley

You can't put much store into the birthplaces in 1911.

Son Albert was born Oldham.
Looks like it was just easier to put them all down as Liverpool

Hi Vanessa I was typing while you were adding your reply sorry. Looks very promising - where / how can I look up these records please.

By my estimation Alberts year of birth should be 1884/85. Is it possible that his birth was just not registered? I've gone all around the houses looking for variations on Albert Keiley
ie Kiley, kieley, keilleyfor about 10 years either side and still no joy. I'm ok with details from 1908 onwards but can't go any further back without birth or census details prior to 1908.

There is an Alice Keeley in Liverpool on the 1911 but my computer is not displaying the free search results for people living with this Alice. Does anyone else have access to check this record?

Finally!!!
DYKIN, Jno 1839 72 M Liverpool Lancashire
KEELEY, Albert 1909 2 M Liverpool Lancashire
KEELEY, Alice 1887 24 F Liverpool Lancashire
KEELEY, Alice 1910 1 F Liverpool Lancashire
PEDLAR, Eliza 1851 60 F Liverpool Lancashire
WALTERS, Mary 1839 72 F Liverpool Lancashire

Full entry would still be good for relationships